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An air carrier pilot reports lax runway change inside konzl intersection causing late FMS entries. Socal approach responded negatively to the crew comments.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 745208 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200707 |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : lax.airport |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | msl single value : 17000 |
| Environment | |
| Weather Elements | Fog |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : sct.tracon |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | MD-83 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | other |
| Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| ASRS Report | 745208 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Narrative:
Runway change after passing konzl intersection causes a hectic confusing heads down situation which has a very simple remedy -- give us our runway assignment before konzl. I mentioned this to socal and the immediate response was to berate us and our fellow company pilots by stating that air carrier Y and air carrier Z don't complain of this situation so we should stop bringing it up. He went on to tell me to speak with my chief pilot in lax because they said the runway changes were not a problem. I discontinued the conversation because the controller's behavior was unprofessional and I had an airplane with passenger and crew members to fly. Socal is very much aware of this problem. It chooses to ignore it.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN ACR PILOT REPORTS LAX RWY CHANGE INSIDE KONZL INTXN CAUSING LATE FMS ENTRIES. SOCAL APCH RESPONDED NEGATIVELY TO THE CREW COMMENTS.
Narrative: RWY CHANGE AFTER PASSING KONZL INTXN CAUSES A HECTIC CONFUSING HEADS DOWN SITUATION WHICH HAS A VERY SIMPLE REMEDY -- GIVE US OUR RWY ASSIGNMENT BEFORE KONZL. I MENTIONED THIS TO SOCAL AND THE IMMEDIATE RESPONSE WAS TO BERATE US AND OUR FELLOW COMPANY PLTS BY STATING THAT ACR Y AND ACR Z DON'T COMPLAIN OF THIS SITUATION SO WE SHOULD STOP BRINGING IT UP. HE WENT ON TO TELL ME TO SPEAK WITH MY CHIEF PLT IN LAX BECAUSE THEY SAID THE RWY CHANGES WERE NOT A PROB. I DISCONTINUED THE CONVERSATION BECAUSE THE CTLR'S BEHAVIOR WAS UNPROFESSIONAL AND I HAD AN AIRPLANE WITH PAX AND CREW MEMBERS TO FLY. SOCAL IS VERY MUCH AWARE OF THIS PROB. IT CHOOSES TO IGNORE IT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.