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Attributes | |
ACN | 745508 |
Time | |
Date | 200707 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : yssy.airport |
State Reference | FO |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 1000 agl bound upper : 1500 |
Environment | |
Weather Elements | Thunderstorm |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B747-400 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff |
Route In Use | departure sid : n/s |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 247 flight time total : 15000 flight time type : 1600 |
ASRS Report | 745508 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 945 |
ASRS Report | 745507 |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : returned to intended or assigned course |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Environmental Factor ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Environmental Factor |
Narrative:
Prior to flight; due to numerous convective cells in the area; it was decided to set up with flaps 20 degrees; maximum EPR; and brief for the possibility of windshear. WX radar was then turned on during taxi to runway 16R. As we were taxiing into position; we were cleared for immediate takeoff due to landing traffic and told to turn to heading 170 degrees. On takeoff roll; it was clear that the 170 degree heading would take us directly into an area of red radar return. A second cell (yellow) was located beyond the first on runway centerline. As we became airborne; I told first officer to tell tower we would be unable the 170 degree heading and needed a 130 degree heading to remain clear of the cells; at which time tower responded to contact yssy departure. As I started a gradual turn to approximately 140 degrees and after contacting departure; we were immediately told 'negative' and to turn to 170 degree heading. We then told departure we were unable due to WX; and they again responded 'negative' and to return to runway centerline due to parallel traffic on runway 16L; which I did. (Note: first officer had visual contact of the traffic as it was turning away. In addition; I was not painting any conflicting traffic on TCAS). At this point; we were abeam the first cell and were able to visually track a path between the 2 cells; back to runway centerline; in compliance with ATC. We then continued on a normal takeoff without further incident. (One observation: in retrospect; it would probably have been better to abort the takeoff roll if I had known that the deviation around the cell would not have been granted. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter stated that given the intensity of the WX that he was painting on radar; he was not willing to fly through the area. Departure control apparently did not realize the intensity of the WX and did not appreciate the urgency of the request. He was later told that perhaps yssy did not have real-time WX radar capability; but the analyst cannot verify this.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AFTER TKOF B747-400 FLT CREW DEVIATED FROM ASSIGNED HDG WITHOUT ATC CLRNC TO AVOID WX.
Narrative: PRIOR TO FLT; DUE TO NUMEROUS CONVECTIVE CELLS IN THE AREA; IT WAS DECIDED TO SET UP WITH FLAPS 20 DEGS; MAX EPR; AND BRIEF FOR THE POSSIBILITY OF WINDSHEAR. WX RADAR WAS THEN TURNED ON DURING TAXI TO RWY 16R. AS WE WERE TAXIING INTO POS; WE WERE CLRED FOR IMMEDIATE TKOF DUE TO LNDG TFC AND TOLD TO TURN TO HDG 170 DEGS. ON TKOF ROLL; IT WAS CLR THAT THE 170 DEG HDG WOULD TAKE US DIRECTLY INTO AN AREA OF RED RADAR RETURN. A SECOND CELL (YELLOW) WAS LOCATED BEYOND THE FIRST ON RWY CTRLINE. AS WE BECAME AIRBORNE; I TOLD FO TO TELL TWR WE WOULD BE UNABLE THE 170 DEG HDG AND NEEDED A 130 DEG HDG TO REMAIN CLR OF THE CELLS; AT WHICH TIME TWR RESPONDED TO CONTACT YSSY DEP. AS I STARTED A GRADUAL TURN TO APPROX 140 DEGS AND AFTER CONTACTING DEP; WE WERE IMMEDIATELY TOLD 'NEGATIVE' AND TO TURN TO 170 DEG HDG. WE THEN TOLD DEP WE WERE UNABLE DUE TO WX; AND THEY AGAIN RESPONDED 'NEGATIVE' AND TO RETURN TO RWY CTRLINE DUE TO PARALLEL TFC ON RWY 16L; WHICH I DID. (NOTE: FO HAD VISUAL CONTACT OF THE TFC AS IT WAS TURNING AWAY. IN ADDITION; I WAS NOT PAINTING ANY CONFLICTING TFC ON TCAS). AT THIS POINT; WE WERE ABEAM THE FIRST CELL AND WERE ABLE TO VISUALLY TRACK A PATH BTWN THE 2 CELLS; BACK TO RWY CTRLINE; IN COMPLIANCE WITH ATC. WE THEN CONTINUED ON A NORMAL TKOF WITHOUT FURTHER INCIDENT. (ONE OBSERVATION: IN RETROSPECT; IT WOULD PROBABLY HAVE BEEN BETTER TO ABORT THE TKOF ROLL IF I HAD KNOWN THAT THE DEV AROUND THE CELL WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN GRANTED. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: REPORTER STATED THAT GIVEN THE INTENSITY OF THE WX THAT HE WAS PAINTING ON RADAR; HE WAS NOT WILLING TO FLY THROUGH THE AREA. DEP CONTROL APPARENTLY DID NOT REALIZE THE INTENSITY OF THE WX AND DID NOT APPRECIATE THE URGENCY OF THE REQUEST. HE WAS LATER TOLD THAT PERHAPS YSSY DID NOT HAVE REAL-TIME WX RADAR CAPABILITY; BUT THE ANALYST CANNOT VERIFY THIS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.