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Attributes | |
ACN | 746096 |
Time | |
Date | 200707 |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : zkc.artcc |
State Reference | KS |
Altitude | msl single value : 23000 |
Environment | |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zkc.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | EMB ERJ 145 ER&LR |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zkc.artcc |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Flight Phase | cruise : enroute altitude change |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
ASRS Report | 746096 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial |
ASRS Report | 746095 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne critical |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : tcas other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 300 vertical : 700 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
I believe ATC either forgot about our position (or the descending aircraft's position) or didn't exercise proper judgement by notifying us. I'm not going to wait for a box or machine (TCAS) to tell me what to do. Evasive action was appropriate and necessary. Cruising at FL230 on the trake 8 north of sgf; we noticed an aircraft descending above us (from several thousand ft above) and a few hundred ft horizontally in front of our position. ATC never called out the said traffic. Traffic continued to descend through 2000 ft above. We asked ATC (ZKC 128.6) about the traffic -- he did not respond. At 1200 ft above our altitude; we asked ATC again -- still no response. When it became apparent traffic was descending through 1000 ft above us; I turned off course about 30 degrees to the left to avoid traffic. We simultaneously notified ATC of our deviation; but all he did was hand us off to the next sector. Our TCAS showed traffic leveling off 700 ft above. We notified next controller of deviation. TCAS may or may not have given a TA -- I was taking evasive action so my/our attention was diverted solely to the outside of our aircraft. Common sense dictated a deviation. I turned 30 degrees to the left of arrival course and notified ATC. This is an ATC issue. The controller should have called out the descending aircraft's position -- especially due to the very close proximity of the 2 planes involved.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLT CREW EXPERIENCED CONFLICT AT FL230 WHEN ATC DESCENDED TFC THROUGH OCCUPIED ALT; ALERTED BY TCAS; PREVENTED A LOSS OF SEPARATION.
Narrative: I BELIEVE ATC EITHER FORGOT ABOUT OUR POS (OR THE DSNDING ACFT'S POS) OR DIDN'T EXERCISE PROPER JUDGEMENT BY NOTIFYING US. I'M NOT GOING TO WAIT FOR A BOX OR MACHINE (TCAS) TO TELL ME WHAT TO DO. EVASIVE ACTION WAS APPROPRIATE AND NECESSARY. CRUISING AT FL230 ON THE TRAKE 8 N OF SGF; WE NOTICED AN ACFT DSNDING ABOVE US (FROM SEVERAL THOUSAND FT ABOVE) AND A FEW HUNDRED FT HORIZONTALLY IN FRONT OF OUR POS. ATC NEVER CALLED OUT THE SAID TFC. TFC CONTINUED TO DSND THROUGH 2000 FT ABOVE. WE ASKED ATC (ZKC 128.6) ABOUT THE TFC -- HE DID NOT RESPOND. AT 1200 FT ABOVE OUR ALT; WE ASKED ATC AGAIN -- STILL NO RESPONSE. WHEN IT BECAME APPARENT TFC WAS DSNDING THROUGH 1000 FT ABOVE US; I TURNED OFF COURSE ABOUT 30 DEGS TO THE L TO AVOID TFC. WE SIMULTANEOUSLY NOTIFIED ATC OF OUR DEV; BUT ALL HE DID WAS HAND US OFF TO THE NEXT SECTOR. OUR TCAS SHOWED TFC LEVELING OFF 700 FT ABOVE. WE NOTIFIED NEXT CTLR OF DEV. TCAS MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE GIVEN A TA -- I WAS TAKING EVASIVE ACTION SO MY/OUR ATTN WAS DIVERTED SOLELY TO THE OUTSIDE OF OUR ACFT. COMMON SENSE DICTATED A DEV. I TURNED 30 DEGS TO THE L OF ARR COURSE AND NOTIFIED ATC. THIS IS AN ATC ISSUE. THE CTLR SHOULD HAVE CALLED OUT THE DSNDING ACFT'S POS -- ESPECIALLY DUE TO THE VERY CLOSE PROX OF THE 2 PLANES INVOLVED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.