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Attributes | |
ACN | 746209 |
Time | |
Date | 200707 |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : c90.tracon |
State Reference | IL |
Altitude | msl single value : 5000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : c90.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Challenger CL600 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 135 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Navigation In Use | ils localizer & glide slope : 28 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | arrival : on vectors |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : commercial pilot : cfi pilot : atp pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 4000 flight time type : 1500 |
ASRS Report | 746209 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Aircraft Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
On this flight we had a MEL'ed FMS; and had been flying the entire flight in 'raw data.' as the PNF; I had spent a good portion of the flight explaining to my first officer about the limitations of what we can and cannot do with the FMS inoperative. (Unable to do RNAV arrs; direct an intersection; etc.) when we were cleared for the ILS runway 28 approach into chicago; we were told to maintain 5000 ft MSL until crossing wavie intersection. My first officer; thinking that the approach mode on our flight director would not work because of the inoperative FMS; disconnected the autoplt as we were cleared for the ILS approach. This was a misunderstanding; as the flight director would work; and was required to be used by our operations specifications for this approach. I armed the approach mode for her; and continued monitoring her flying as the autoplt was off. I did not notice that when the GS became alive; and intercepted; that we were not quite to wavie intersection yet...as the flight director started to command a descent; we followed it down; causing us to be almost 300 ft low as we crossed wavie intersection. I think some of the factors to this event happening were the inoperative FMS and my first officer's lack of knowledge on abnormal operations without the FMS. Also; when the approach clearance was given; the altitude restr was not spoken very clearly. When later queried by ATC I did remember the instruction; but I feel it could have been spoken more clearly (not mumbled by the controller).
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A CL-600 FLT CREW ON AN ILS APPROACH TO ORD WERE 300 FT LOW AT WAVIE; DUE IN PART TO THE PROCEDURE BEING FLOWN IN RAW DATA BECAUSE OF AN INOP FMS.
Narrative: ON THIS FLT WE HAD A MEL'ED FMS; AND HAD BEEN FLYING THE ENTIRE FLT IN 'RAW DATA.' AS THE PNF; I HAD SPENT A GOOD PORTION OF THE FLT EXPLAINING TO MY FO ABOUT THE LIMITATIONS OF WHAT WE CAN AND CANNOT DO WITH THE FMS INOP. (UNABLE TO DO RNAV ARRS; DIRECT AN INTXN; ETC.) WHEN WE WERE CLRED FOR THE ILS RWY 28 APCH INTO CHICAGO; WE WERE TOLD TO MAINTAIN 5000 FT MSL UNTIL XING WAVIE INTXN. MY FO; THINKING THAT THE APCH MODE ON OUR FLT DIRECTOR WOULD NOT WORK BECAUSE OF THE INOP FMS; DISCONNECTED THE AUTOPLT AS WE WERE CLRED FOR THE ILS APCH. THIS WAS A MISUNDERSTANDING; AS THE FLT DIRECTOR WOULD WORK; AND WAS REQUIRED TO BE USED BY OUR OPS SPECS FOR THIS APCH. I ARMED THE APCH MODE FOR HER; AND CONTINUED MONITORING HER FLYING AS THE AUTOPLT WAS OFF. I DID NOT NOTICE THAT WHEN THE GS BECAME ALIVE; AND INTERCEPTED; THAT WE WERE NOT QUITE TO WAVIE INTXN YET...AS THE FLT DIRECTOR STARTED TO COMMAND A DSCNT; WE FOLLOWED IT DOWN; CAUSING US TO BE ALMOST 300 FT LOW AS WE CROSSED WAVIE INTXN. I THINK SOME OF THE FACTORS TO THIS EVENT HAPPENING WERE THE INOP FMS AND MY FO'S LACK OF KNOWLEDGE ON ABNORMAL OPS WITHOUT THE FMS. ALSO; WHEN THE APCH CLRNC WAS GIVEN; THE ALT RESTR WAS NOT SPOKEN VERY CLRLY. WHEN LATER QUERIED BY ATC I DID REMEMBER THE INSTRUCTION; BUT I FEEL IT COULD HAVE BEEN SPOKEN MORE CLRLY (NOT MUMBLED BY THE CTLR).
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.