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Attributes | |
ACN | 757511 |
Time | |
Date | 200710 |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : mco.airport |
State Reference | FL |
Altitude | msl single value : 2500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : mco.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-700 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : initial |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 279 |
ASRS Report | 757511 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 293 flight time type : 7000 |
ASRS Report | 757517 |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance Chart Or Publication Aircraft |
Primary Problem | Aircraft |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : mco.tracon |
Chart | star : orlando |
Narrative:
First officer's takeoff; cleared position and hold runway 35L at mco. Cleared for takeoff runway 35L. Right turn heading 060 at the marker. I performed the takeoff and never noticed the marker beacon flashing on du. Passing 2500 ft MSL; ATC told me to turn right heading 090. ATC gave us a phone number to call when we landed. Explanation of threats and errors: we received this clearance from position and hold runway 35L at mco; 'company xyz cleared for takeoff runway 35L; turn right heading 060 at the marker.' our original clearance from clearance delivery was; 'cleared to ZZZ orlando 8 departure as filed.' I had the orlando 8 departure chart on my clipboard. It does not depict where the marker is located. I thought the marker would flash on the du during climb out. I never noticed the marker flash for the marker on the du; therefore; I did not make the turn. The captain and I began discussing the fact we had not seen the marker flash by 1000 ft MSL. The captain began to search for the ILS runway 17R page to find the marker when ATC told us to turn right heading 090. The next call was to contact ATC when we landed with a phone number. Include the marker on the departure chart if that is where ATC wants the turn commenced. The clearance should include the turn commenced at an altitude; DME from the runway; or DME from a VOR. Our original clearance from ATC on clearance delivery should include the turn at the marker so we have time to locate the marker or query the controller about the clearance. We could have not accepted the clearance and asked ATC to clarify.supplemental information from acn 757517: the controller did not seem concerned; but wanted the information because he was considering sending out a memo that glass cockpits might not get the same information as older aircraft.callback conversation with reporter acn 757517 revealed the following information: on subsequent departures from mco the reporter watched closely for any indication of marker passage to no avail. He stated their aircraft operations manual lacked any detailed explanation as to the availability or lack thereof of marker reception.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B737-700 FAILS TO COMPLY WITH TKOF CLRNC DIRECTING A 'TURN AT THE MARKER.'
Narrative: FO'S TAKEOFF; CLEARED POSITION AND HOLD RWY 35L AT MCO. CLEARED FOR TAKEOFF RWY 35L. RIGHT TURN HEADING 060 AT THE MARKER. I PERFORMED THE TAKEOFF AND NEVER NOTICED THE MARKER BEACON FLASHING ON DU. PASSING 2500 FT MSL; ATC TOLD ME TO TURN RIGHT HEADING 090. ATC GAVE US A PHONE NUMBER TO CALL WHEN WE LANDED. EXPLANATION OF THREATS AND ERRORS: WE RECEIVED THIS CLEARANCE FROM POSITION AND HOLD RWY 35L AT MCO; 'COMPANY XYZ CLEARED FOR TAKEOFF RWY 35L; TURN RIGHT HEADING 060 AT THE MARKER.' OUR ORIGINAL CLEARANCE FROM CLEARANCE DELIVERY WAS; 'CLEARED TO ZZZ ORLANDO 8 DEPARTURE AS FILED.' I HAD THE ORLANDO 8 DEPARTURE CHART ON MY CLIPBOARD. IT DOES NOT DEPICT WHERE THE MARKER IS LOCATED. I THOUGHT THE MARKER WOULD FLASH ON THE DU DURING CLIMB OUT. I NEVER NOTICED THE MARKER FLASH FOR THE MARKER ON THE DU; THEREFORE; I DID NOT MAKE THE TURN. THE CAPTAIN AND I BEGAN DISCUSSING THE FACT WE HAD NOT SEEN THE MARKER FLASH BY 1000 FT MSL. THE CAPTAIN BEGAN TO SEARCH FOR THE ILS RWY 17R PAGE TO FIND THE MARKER WHEN ATC TOLD US TO TURN RIGHT HEADING 090. THE NEXT CALL WAS TO CONTACT ATC WHEN WE LANDED WITH A PHONE NUMBER. INCLUDE THE MARKER ON THE DEPARTURE CHART IF THAT IS WHERE ATC WANTS THE TURN COMMENCED. THE CLEARANCE SHOULD INCLUDE THE TURN COMMENCED AT AN ALTITUDE; DME FROM THE RUNWAY; OR DME FROM A VOR. OUR ORIGINAL CLEARANCE FROM ATC ON CLEARANCE DELIVERY SHOULD INCLUDE THE TURN AT THE MARKER SO WE HAVE TIME TO LOCATE THE MARKER OR QUERY THE CONTROLLER ABOUT THE CLEARANCE. WE COULD HAVE NOT ACCEPTED THE CLEARANCE AND ASKED ATC TO CLARIFY.SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 757517: THE CTLR DID NOT SEEM CONCERNED; BUT WANTED THE INFO BECAUSE HE WAS CONSIDERING SENDING OUT A MEMO THAT GLASS COCKPITS MIGHT NOT GET THE SAME INFO AS OLDER ACFT.CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR ACN 757517 REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: ON SUBSEQUENT DEPARTURES FROM MCO THE REPORTER WATCHED CLOSELY FOR ANY INDICATION OF MARKER PASSAGE TO NO AVAIL. HE STATED THEIR ACFT OPERATIONS MANUAL LACKED ANY DETAILED EXPLANATION AS TO THE AVAILABILITY OR LACK THEREOF OF MARKER RECEPTION.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.