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Attributes | |
ACN | 759269 |
Time | |
Date | 200710 |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : sbgl.airport |
State Reference | FO |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Weather Elements | Rain |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B767-300 and 300 ER |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | ground : preflight |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 220 flight time total : 20000 flight time type : 8000 |
ASRS Report | 759269 |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Navigational Facility |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Situations | |
Airport | procedure or policy : sbgl.airport |
Narrative:
Was issued a clearance that was illegal. Would not accept it. Was pressured to accept it several times. Then took a 1 hour + delay while the rio clearance people came up with yet a new; and equally non flyable clearance. All this was happening because the normal departure SID; marica 1; was being used while mrc VOR was OTS. I had nothing to do with that. But when they started then issuing non flyable and vague 'home made' clrncs; I would not accept that. After we protested the first clearance; clearance changed to another after a lengthy delay. When we then rejected the second; clearance again changed after another lengthy delay and new clearance was given to air carrier Y and others who had been waiting far less than us. So the 'punishment for making trouble' was clearly delivered. Rio controllers are not well versed in english. Their english levels are terrible...as with most of country. The worst part of all of this is that many airlines just accepted the illegal clrncs and took off with them. This is very tempting because of the huge delay you know you will take if you protest anything down here. The whole ATC system here is on the verge of being totally dysfunctional. Problems with all clrncs were that no complete segment or 'transition' was ever given after reaching pcx VOR...there was no way to know how they wanted you to fly to the second fix.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR CAPT DESCRIBES INAPPROPRIATE AIRWAYS CLRNCS PROVIDED BY CLRNC DELIVERY AT SBGL WHEN MRC VOR OTS.
Narrative: WAS ISSUED A CLRNC THAT WAS ILLEGAL. WOULD NOT ACCEPT IT. WAS PRESSURED TO ACCEPT IT SEVERAL TIMES. THEN TOOK A 1 HOUR + DELAY WHILE THE RIO CLRNC PEOPLE CAME UP WITH YET A NEW; AND EQUALLY NON FLYABLE CLRNC. ALL THIS WAS HAPPENING BECAUSE THE NORMAL DEP SID; MARICA 1; WAS BEING USED WHILE MRC VOR WAS OTS. I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT. BUT WHEN THEY STARTED THEN ISSUING NON FLYABLE AND VAGUE 'HOME MADE' CLRNCS; I WOULD NOT ACCEPT THAT. AFTER WE PROTESTED THE FIRST CLRNC; CLRNC CHANGED TO ANOTHER AFTER A LENGTHY DELAY. WHEN WE THEN REJECTED THE SECOND; CLRNC AGAIN CHANGED AFTER ANOTHER LENGTHY DELAY AND NEW CLRNC WAS GIVEN TO ACR Y AND OTHERS WHO HAD BEEN WAITING FAR LESS THAN US. SO THE 'PUNISHMENT FOR MAKING TROUBLE' WAS CLRLY DELIVERED. RIO CTLRS ARE NOT WELL VERSED IN ENGLISH. THEIR ENGLISH LEVELS ARE TERRIBLE...AS WITH MOST OF COUNTRY. THE WORST PART OF ALL OF THIS IS THAT MANY AIRLINES JUST ACCEPTED THE ILLEGAL CLRNCS AND TOOK OFF WITH THEM. THIS IS VERY TEMPTING BECAUSE OF THE HUGE DELAY YOU KNOW YOU WILL TAKE IF YOU PROTEST ANYTHING DOWN HERE. THE WHOLE ATC SYSTEM HERE IS ON THE VERGE OF BEING TOTALLY DYSFUNCTIONAL. PROBLEMS WITH ALL CLRNCS WERE THAT NO COMPLETE SEGMENT OR 'TRANSITION' WAS EVER GIVEN AFTER REACHING PCX VOR...THERE WAS NO WAY TO KNOW HOW THEY WANTED YOU TO FLY TO THE SECOND FIX.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.