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Attributes | |
ACN | 762902 |
Time | |
Date | 200711 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : zzz.airport |
State Reference | US |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Weather Elements | Ice other |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B757-200 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | ground : parked ground : taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
ASRS Report | 762902 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 160 flight time total : 12900 flight time type : 3000 |
ASRS Report | 762901 |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : far non adherence : company policies |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Company Weather |
Primary Problem | Company |
Narrative:
Arrived at gate; conferred with operations and deice crew as to coordination for deicing aircraft. Deiced at gate in light-moderate snow. Pushed back at ZZZ. Type 4 fluid applied. 1+45 holdover time calculated. Taxied for takeoff to runway. Taxi time approximately 6 mins. Upon wing inspection first officer observed 1/4-1/2 inch snow and slush adhering to leading edge as well as entire top portion of both wings. Coordinated a second deicing crew in the deicing pad. Upon arriving and looking at the wings; the deice crew was reluctant to spray the wing a second time; commenting that they felt the wing was clean and that the mixture would blow off the wing on takeoff. After the second deicing the wing was still not clean; and we requested a third deicing and a close inspection of the wing by the crew. They physically felt the wing and observed that there was no ice present. Both the first officer and myself now felt that the wings were clear enough and we were safe to continue. The snow had also stopped. In our opinion there was clearly something wrong with the fluid that was being applied; it did not look or behave like any type 4 we had previously been exposed to. I contacted operations on landing and they assured me that ZZZ had inspected the fluid and cleared it for use. This was last year's fluid.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: IT WAS NECESSARY FOR A B757-200 TO BE DEICED 3 TIMES BEFORE AN ACCEPTABLE RESULT WAS ACHIEVED.
Narrative: ARRIVED AT GATE; CONFERRED WITH OPS AND DEICE CREW AS TO COORD FOR DEICING ACFT. DEICED AT GATE IN LIGHT-MODERATE SNOW. PUSHED BACK AT ZZZ. TYPE 4 FLUID APPLIED. 1+45 HOLDOVER TIME CALCULATED. TAXIED FOR TKOF TO RWY. TAXI TIME APPROX 6 MINS. UPON WING INSPECTION FO OBSERVED 1/4-1/2 INCH SNOW AND SLUSH ADHERING TO LEADING EDGE AS WELL AS ENTIRE TOP PORTION OF BOTH WINGS. COORDINATED A SECOND DEICING CREW IN THE DEICING PAD. UPON ARRIVING AND LOOKING AT THE WINGS; THE DEICE CREW WAS RELUCTANT TO SPRAY THE WING A SECOND TIME; COMMENTING THAT THEY FELT THE WING WAS CLEAN AND THAT THE MIXTURE WOULD BLOW OFF THE WING ON TKOF. AFTER THE SECOND DEICING THE WING WAS STILL NOT CLEAN; AND WE REQUESTED A THIRD DEICING AND A CLOSE INSPECTION OF THE WING BY THE CREW. THEY PHYSICALLY FELT THE WING AND OBSERVED THAT THERE WAS NO ICE PRESENT. BOTH THE FO AND MYSELF NOW FELT THAT THE WINGS WERE CLR ENOUGH AND WE WERE SAFE TO CONTINUE. THE SNOW HAD ALSO STOPPED. IN OUR OPINION THERE WAS CLRLY SOMETHING WRONG WITH THE FLUID THAT WAS BEING APPLIED; IT DID NOT LOOK OR BEHAVE LIKE ANY TYPE 4 WE HAD PREVIOUSLY BEEN EXPOSED TO. I CONTACTED OPS ON LNDG AND THEY ASSURED ME THAT ZZZ HAD INSPECTED THE FLUID AND CLRED IT FOR USE. THIS WAS LAST YEAR'S FLUID.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.