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Attributes | |
ACN | 777129 |
Time | |
Date | 200803 |
Local Time Of Day | 0001 To 0600 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : zzzz.airport |
State Reference | FO |
Altitude | msl single value : 35000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Weather Elements | Turbulence Fog |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zzzz.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B747-400 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 118 flight time total : 12000 flight time type : 250 |
ASRS Report | 777129 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Experience | flight time total : 12000 |
ASRS Report | 777132 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude inflight encounter : turbulence other anomaly other anomaly |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | none taken : unable |
Consequence | other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Environmental Factor |
Primary Problem | Environmental Factor |
Narrative:
We were cleared from terminal area to YYY. YYY is the fir boundary. We were told 100 NM prior to YYY to contact next sector at YYY. 40 NM prior to YYY; we felt a slight acceleration (mountain wave) followed immediately by severe turbulence. We were unable to maintain altitude and the aircraft started descending and we exceeded 400 ft altitude deviation. Pfd was hard to read; and we know airspeed deviations exceeded vmo. After we regained control; we returned to the previous controller to inform them we had experienced severe turbulence and had been unable to maintain altitude. The controller noted that she had seen us exceed our rvsm altitude and was going to file a PIREP. We then notified the next sector of our PIREP. Shortly after; we heard another air carrier flight also report severe turbulence. We were cost index 200 mach .85 660K gross weight right at optimum altitude in the middle of low and high buffet speed. This was the worst turbulence experience by 5 crew members aboard. Supplemental information from acn 777130: FL370 we again experienced severe turbulence. Autoplt disengaged and PF had to take over. We were unable to maintain altitude. Just prior to exceeding lower limit (300 ft) we were able to request a 2000 ft block altitude from center. We saw airspeed gains of over 40 KTS; exceeding vmo and drop of 40 KTS into the lower buffet limit. Autoplt was re-engaged but we also think it was again disconnected either by turbulence or by the pilot monitoring trying to reach the push-to-talk. This was our second encounter of severe turbulence in one flight and all crews agreed both ranked as worst experience. The first one felt worse although indication of the data recorded showed the second being far more. All crew members and jumpseater had their seatbelts on and we had no injuries. Winds on the pfd instantly increased over 100 KTS. Supplemental information from acn 777132: cruising in smooth clear air. No reports of turbulence on radio from other aircraft. All of a sudden we flew through the most severe mountain wave or CAT I have ever experienced in 20 yrs of flying. Upon arrival; the captain wrote up the turbulence and recorded the events in the aircraft logbook for a proper aircraft inspection by maintenance.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A B747-400 CREW REPORTS UNEXPECTED SEVERE CLEAR AIR TURBULENCE AT FL350. THE RVSM ALT DEV LIMIT WAS EXCEEDED AS WAS VMO.
Narrative: WE WERE CLRED FROM TERMINAL AREA TO YYY. YYY IS THE FIR BOUNDARY. WE WERE TOLD 100 NM PRIOR TO YYY TO CONTACT NEXT SECTOR AT YYY. 40 NM PRIOR TO YYY; WE FELT A SLIGHT ACCELERATION (MOUNTAIN WAVE) FOLLOWED IMMEDIATELY BY SEVERE TURB. WE WERE UNABLE TO MAINTAIN ALT AND THE ACFT STARTED DSNDING AND WE EXCEEDED 400 FT ALTDEV. PFD WAS HARD TO READ; AND WE KNOW AIRSPD DEVS EXCEEDED VMO. AFTER WE REGAINED CTL; WE RETURNED TO THE PREVIOUS CTLR TO INFORM THEM WE HAD EXPERIENCED SEVERE TURB AND HAD BEEN UNABLE TO MAINTAIN ALT. THE CTLR NOTED THAT SHE HAD SEEN US EXCEED OUR RVSM ALT AND WAS GOING TO FILE A PIREP. WE THEN NOTIFIED THE NEXT SECTOR OF OUR PIREP. SHORTLY AFTER; WE HEARD ANOTHER ACR FLT ALSO RPT SEVERE TURB. WE WERE COST INDEX 200 MACH .85 660K GROSS WT RIGHT AT OPTIMUM ALT IN THE MIDDLE OF LOW AND HIGH BUFFET SPD. THIS WAS THE WORST TURB EXPERIENCE BY 5 CREW MEMBERS ABOARD. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 777130: FL370 WE AGAIN EXPERIENCED SEVERE TURB. AUTOPLT DISENGAGED AND PF HAD TO TAKE OVER. WE WERE UNABLE TO MAINTAIN ALT. JUST PRIOR TO EXCEEDING LOWER LIMIT (300 FT) WE WERE ABLE TO REQUEST A 2000 FT BLOCK ALT FROM CTR. WE SAW AIRSPD GAINS OF OVER 40 KTS; EXCEEDING VMO AND DROP OF 40 KTS INTO THE LOWER BUFFET LIMIT. AUTOPLT WAS RE-ENGAGED BUT WE ALSO THINK IT WAS AGAIN DISCONNECTED EITHER BY TURB OR BY THE PLT MONITORING TRYING TO REACH THE PUSH-TO-TALK. THIS WAS OUR SECOND ENCOUNTER OF SEVERE TURB IN ONE FLT AND ALL CREWS AGREED BOTH RANKED AS WORST EXPERIENCE. THE FIRST ONE FELT WORSE ALTHOUGH INDICATION OF THE DATA RECORDED SHOWED THE SECOND BEING FAR MORE. ALL CREW MEMBERS AND JUMPSEATER HAD THEIR SEATBELTS ON AND WE HAD NO INJURIES. WINDS ON THE PFD INSTANTLY INCREASED OVER 100 KTS. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 777132: CRUISING IN SMOOTH CLR AIR. NO RPTS OF TURB ON RADIO FROM OTHER ACFT. ALL OF A SUDDEN WE FLEW THROUGH THE MOST SEVERE MOUNTAIN WAVE OR CAT I HAVE EVER EXPERIENCED IN 20 YRS OF FLYING. UPON ARR; THE CAPT WROTE UP THE TURB AND RECORDED THE EVENTS IN THE ACFT LOGBOOK FOR A PROPER ACFT INSPECTION BY MAINT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of May 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.