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Attributes | |
ACN | 784247 |
Time | |
Date | 200804 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : vpz.airport |
State Reference | IN |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | Light Transport Low Wing 2 Turbojet Eng |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | ground : takeoff roll |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | PA-28 Cherokee/Archer II/Dakota/Pillan/Warrior |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | ground : takeoff roll |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 75 flight time total : 15500 flight time type : 1500 |
ASRS Report | 784247 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : ground critical |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : insufficient time |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 50 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
We taxied from the terminal to runway 9 for departure; called unicom before taxi to announce and went back to clearance while taxiing to change runway from runway 27 to runway 9. Local traffic using runway 36 due to wind but we were unable due to runway length. Changed back to unicom at the runway; aircraft on downwind for runway 36 announced he would extend to let us out. We acknowledged; thanked him; and took the active runway with the announcement we were going to start our roll. At 5 KTS; below V1 and a few hundred ft from the intersection of runway 36; a cherokee crossed our path beginning his departure roll on runway 36. He was going approximately 25 KTS; and we never heard him announce. The PF started to pull power for an abort but we both decided simultaneously that we would miss him and I stated; 'continue.' it did not appear the cherokee ever saw us. I attempted 1 radio contact unsuccessfully before switching to departure. This was the closest call the PF and I have ever had in over 30000 hours of total flying time. We estimated we were about 3-5 seconds from a disaster. When we first saw him crossing from right to left; he was probably 200-300 ft from us. By the time we passed behind him; we were probably 50 ft from him. I called the FBO the next day to inquire about the incident and she said she did hear us reporting on frequency throughout; but did not recall hearing the cherokee; which was from out of state. We thought we might have missed a call from him; or that the aircraft in the air was talking to him instead of us; because I had switched back and forth from clearance to unicom. In the future; I will be very careful to monitor both frequencys when necessary to avoid any possibility of missing a crucial call.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CORPORATE JET DEPARTING UNCONTROLLED ARPT INVOLVED IN NEAR COLLISION WITH A CHEROKEE COMMENCING TKOF ROLL ON AN INTERSECTING RWY.
Narrative: WE TAXIED FROM THE TERMINAL TO RWY 9 FOR DEP; CALLED UNICOM BEFORE TAXI TO ANNOUNCE AND WENT BACK TO CLRNC WHILE TAXIING TO CHANGE RWY FROM RWY 27 TO RWY 9. LCL TFC USING RWY 36 DUE TO WIND BUT WE WERE UNABLE DUE TO RWY LENGTH. CHANGED BACK TO UNICOM AT THE RWY; ACFT ON DOWNWIND FOR RWY 36 ANNOUNCED HE WOULD EXTEND TO LET US OUT. WE ACKNOWLEDGED; THANKED HIM; AND TOOK THE ACTIVE RWY WITH THE ANNOUNCEMENT WE WERE GOING TO START OUR ROLL. AT 5 KTS; BELOW V1 AND A FEW HUNDRED FT FROM THE INTXN OF RWY 36; A CHEROKEE CROSSED OUR PATH BEGINNING HIS DEP ROLL ON RWY 36. HE WAS GOING APPROX 25 KTS; AND WE NEVER HEARD HIM ANNOUNCE. THE PF STARTED TO PULL PWR FOR AN ABORT BUT WE BOTH DECIDED SIMULTANEOUSLY THAT WE WOULD MISS HIM AND I STATED; 'CONTINUE.' IT DID NOT APPEAR THE CHEROKEE EVER SAW US. I ATTEMPTED 1 RADIO CONTACT UNSUCCESSFULLY BEFORE SWITCHING TO DEP. THIS WAS THE CLOSEST CALL THE PF AND I HAVE EVER HAD IN OVER 30000 HRS OF TOTAL FLYING TIME. WE ESTIMATED WE WERE ABOUT 3-5 SECONDS FROM A DISASTER. WHEN WE FIRST SAW HIM XING FROM R TO L; HE WAS PROBABLY 200-300 FT FROM US. BY THE TIME WE PASSED BEHIND HIM; WE WERE PROBABLY 50 FT FROM HIM. I CALLED THE FBO THE NEXT DAY TO INQUIRE ABOUT THE INCIDENT AND SHE SAID SHE DID HEAR US RPTING ON FREQ THROUGHOUT; BUT DID NOT RECALL HEARING THE CHEROKEE; WHICH WAS FROM OUT OF STATE. WE THOUGHT WE MIGHT HAVE MISSED A CALL FROM HIM; OR THAT THE ACFT IN THE AIR WAS TALKING TO HIM INSTEAD OF US; BECAUSE I HAD SWITCHED BACK AND FORTH FROM CLRNC TO UNICOM. IN THE FUTURE; I WILL BE VERY CAREFUL TO MONITOR BOTH FREQS WHEN NECESSARY TO AVOID ANY POSSIBILITY OF MISSING A CRUCIAL CALL.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of May 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.