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A B767 pilot departing jfk questioned a pre departure clearance SID normally issued for north departure when they were departing west. The pre departure clearance was incorrect.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 784841 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200804 |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : jfk.airport |
| State Reference | NY |
| Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B767-200 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | ground : preflight ground : parked |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| ASRS Report | 784841 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | other |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance FAA |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
Our flight plan's first fix was rbv VOR. There is no SID shown on flight plan. Normal SID assigned on pre departure clearance is kennedy 1 departure and if using runway 31L then the breezy point climb. Received pre departure clearance and it showed greki 3 departure; martn transition; breezy point climb. This did not seem right as this SID takes you north of jfk and we were going west. There was also no thunderstorm activity in the area. Called clearance delivery to verify SID. They said the pre departure clearance was in error and reclreared us via the kennedy 1 departure breezy point climb. This is the first time I have seen an error for the wrong SID on the pre departure clearance since we started using this system. The lesson here is if something does not seem reasonable then question it.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A B767 PILOT DEPARTING JFK QUESTIONED A PDC SID NORMALLY ISSUED FOR NORTH DEP WHEN THEY WERE DEPARTING WEST. THE PDC WAS INCORRECT.
Narrative: OUR FLT PLAN'S FIRST FIX WAS RBV VOR. THERE IS NO SID SHOWN ON FLT PLAN. NORMAL SID ASSIGNED ON PDC IS KENNEDY 1 DEP AND IF USING RWY 31L THEN THE BREEZY POINT CLB. RECEIVED PDC AND IT SHOWED GREKI 3 DEP; MARTN TRANSITION; BREEZY POINT CLB. THIS DID NOT SEEM RIGHT AS THIS SID TAKES YOU NORTH OF JFK AND WE WERE GOING WEST. THERE WAS ALSO NO TSTM ACTIVITY IN THE AREA. CALLED CLRNC DELIVERY TO VERIFY SID. THEY SAID THE PDC WAS IN ERROR AND RECLREARED US VIA THE KENNEDY 1 DEP BREEZY POINT CLB. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I HAVE SEEN AN ERROR FOR THE WRONG SID ON THE PDC SINCE WE STARTED USING THIS SYSTEM. THE LESSON HERE IS IF SOMETHING DOES NOT SEEM REASONABLE THEN QUESTION IT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of May 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.