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Attributes | |
ACN | 785211 |
Time | |
Date | 200805 |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | intersection : houtn |
State Reference | PA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 24500 msl bound upper : 25000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zny.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial |
ASRS Report | 785211 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
ASRS Report | 785201 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot conflict : airborne less severe |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
This occurred somewhere north of houtn intersection along our filed route to iad. While in the descent from FL280 to FL200 we were advised of a wbound aircraft at our 9 O'clock position. I advised ATC that we were looking for traffic. The other pilot let ATC know that they had us in sight and shortly after that; we acquired visual contact with their aircraft. As we were descending through FL245; the other pilot came over the radio asking center what the other aircraft (us) was doing. In the meantime; the captain and I had noticed the other aircraft getting unusually close and had been monitoring its progress on TCAS. At this point; we had already increased our rate of descent to ensure sufficient clearance with the other flight. Very shortly after this the ZNY controller came over the radio demanding to know our assigned altitude. The captain took the radios at this time and informed them that we were cleared to FL200. We were then told by ATC that no; we were supposed to have stopped at FL250. This correction was now being pointed out by a new voice; different from the other voice that originally cleared us down to FL200. At no time was there any instruction or readback on our behalf for us to level at FL250 and also; no TA/RA occurred and visual separation was maintained at all times. After being advised of this by the new controller; we asked several times for clarification with no response and were eventually told to continue to FL200. We continued our flight without any further incident.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR DESCENDED THROUGH ANOTHER FLT'S ALTITUDE AFTER RECEIVING DESCENT CLRNC.
Narrative: THIS OCCURRED SOMEWHERE N OF HOUTN INTXN ALONG OUR FILED RTE TO IAD. WHILE IN THE DSCNT FROM FL280 TO FL200 WE WERE ADVISED OF A WBOUND ACFT AT OUR 9 O'CLOCK POS. I ADVISED ATC THAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR TFC. THE OTHER PLT LET ATC KNOW THAT THEY HAD US IN SIGHT AND SHORTLY AFTER THAT; WE ACQUIRED VISUAL CONTACT WITH THEIR ACFT. AS WE WERE DSNDING THROUGH FL245; THE OTHER PLT CAME OVER THE RADIO ASKING CTR WHAT THE OTHER ACFT (US) WAS DOING. IN THE MEANTIME; THE CAPT AND I HAD NOTICED THE OTHER ACFT GETTING UNUSUALLY CLOSE AND HAD BEEN MONITORING ITS PROGRESS ON TCAS. AT THIS POINT; WE HAD ALREADY INCREASED OUR RATE OF DSCNT TO ENSURE SUFFICIENT CLRNC WITH THE OTHER FLT. VERY SHORTLY AFTER THIS THE ZNY CTLR CAME OVER THE RADIO DEMANDING TO KNOW OUR ASSIGNED ALT. THE CAPT TOOK THE RADIOS AT THIS TIME AND INFORMED THEM THAT WE WERE CLRED TO FL200. WE WERE THEN TOLD BY ATC THAT NO; WE WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE STOPPED AT FL250. THIS CORRECTION WAS NOW BEING POINTED OUT BY A NEW VOICE; DIFFERENT FROM THE OTHER VOICE THAT ORIGINALLY CLRED US DOWN TO FL200. AT NO TIME WAS THERE ANY INSTRUCTION OR READBACK ON OUR BEHALF FOR US TO LEVEL AT FL250 AND ALSO; NO TA/RA OCCURRED AND VISUAL SEPARATION WAS MAINTAINED AT ALL TIMES. AFTER BEING ADVISED OF THIS BY THE NEW CTLR; WE ASKED SEVERAL TIMES FOR CLARIFICATION WITH NO RESPONSE AND WERE EVENTUALLY TOLD TO CONTINUE TO FL200. WE CONTINUED OUR FLT WITHOUT ANY FURTHER INCIDENT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of May 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.