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Attributes | |
ACN | 786602 |
Time | |
Date | 200805 |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : zzz.airport |
State Reference | US |
Altitude | msl single value : 34000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zzz.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | A300 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 6000 flight time type : 600 |
ASRS Report | 786602 |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe non adherence : company policies non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : ecam other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Aircraft Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
Approaching the top of descent we got an ECAM message. Navigation/air data computer; flight manual GPS position disagreement. While running the position disagreement checklist; we determined that our position was approximately 200 mi away from where the FMC said we were. So our navigation system was lost and we advised ATC. When we did so; they gave us clearance direct to abc and a crossing restr of 11000 ft 35 mi prior to abc. We became occupied with the idea of how to do that in raw data. We figured it out and made the crossing restr. We were now faced with the idea of landing on runway 29 with a headwind of 28 KTS gusting to 40 KTS. It was bumpy and we only had the localizer raw data and vectors with which to navigation. We were in clouds until approximately 1800 ft AGL. Consequently; we did not get back to the position disagreement checklist and accomplish the last item which was 'egpws - off.' we accomplished all other checklists and the position disagreement checklist with the exception of that last item. On short final in VMC; the 'too low terrain; pull up' warning went off. We knew why it was going off; because the airplane thought it was 200 mi behind us. We had a clear visual of the runway and were clearly in a position to land. We both agreed to ignore the egpws and land. Landing was uneventful.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN A300 FLT CREW EXPERIENCED LOSS OF THEIR NAV SYSTEM AT TOD AND WERE BUSY ENOUGH TO MISS THE LAST STEP OF THE CHECKLIST; WHICH RESULTED IN A FALSE EGPWS WARNING.
Narrative: APCHING THE TOP OF DSCNT WE GOT AN ECAM MESSAGE. NAV/ADC; FLT MANUAL GPS POS DISAGREEMENT. WHILE RUNNING THE POS DISAGREEMENT CHKLIST; WE DETERMINED THAT OUR POS WAS APPROX 200 MI AWAY FROM WHERE THE FMC SAID WE WERE. SO OUR NAV SYS WAS LOST AND WE ADVISED ATC. WHEN WE DID SO; THEY GAVE US CLRNC DIRECT TO ABC AND A XING RESTR OF 11000 FT 35 MI PRIOR TO ABC. WE BECAME OCCUPIED WITH THE IDEA OF HOW TO DO THAT IN RAW DATA. WE FIGURED IT OUT AND MADE THE XING RESTR. WE WERE NOW FACED WITH THE IDEA OF LNDG ON RWY 29 WITH A HEADWIND OF 28 KTS GUSTING TO 40 KTS. IT WAS BUMPY AND WE ONLY HAD THE LOC RAW DATA AND VECTORS WITH WHICH TO NAV. WE WERE IN CLOUDS UNTIL APPROX 1800 FT AGL. CONSEQUENTLY; WE DID NOT GET BACK TO THE POS DISAGREEMENT CHKLIST AND ACCOMPLISH THE LAST ITEM WHICH WAS 'EGPWS - OFF.' WE ACCOMPLISHED ALL OTHER CHKLISTS AND THE POS DISAGREEMENT CHKLIST WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THAT LAST ITEM. ON SHORT FINAL IN VMC; THE 'TOO LOW TERRAIN; PULL UP' WARNING WENT OFF. WE KNEW WHY IT WAS GOING OFF; BECAUSE THE AIRPLANE THOUGHT IT WAS 200 MI BEHIND US. WE HAD A CLR VISUAL OF THE RWY AND WERE CLEARLY IN A POS TO LAND. WE BOTH AGREED TO IGNORE THE EGPWS AND LAND. LNDG WAS UNEVENTFUL.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of May 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.