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Attributes | |
ACN | 787378 |
Time | |
Date | 200805 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : zspd.airport |
State Reference | FO |
Altitude | msl single value : 25000 |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : edmm.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | arrival star : dumet |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : relief pilot |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 8000 flight time type : 30000 |
ASRS Report | 787378 |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Company Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
This is unsafe. The normal arrival into pvg; landing south; is the DUMET22A. For at least the past month; the arrival is no longer line-selectable as the DUM22A; as published on the commercial chart. We have typically built the approach; or asked for radar vectors. On this past flight; the flying crew selected runway 16 and built the approach before crew change. While en route; I was looking at the different arrs for the south runways and found the arrs are still line-selectable; but under a different name. Runway 16 is selectable as DUM16; and runway 17L as DUM17B (as I recall). I have seen the pvg WX go from VFR to CAT ii while on the approach. That is not the time to be building an approach; especially after a 12 hour flight. Building an approach introduces the possibility of an error. The approach plates need to be updated or a NOTAM issued. Crews need to know this information.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR FO REPORTS CONFUSION OVER FMC CODING OF ARRIVALS INTO ZSPD.
Narrative: THIS IS UNSAFE. THE NORMAL ARR INTO PVG; LNDG S; IS THE DUMET22A. FOR AT LEAST THE PAST MONTH; THE ARR IS NO LONGER LINE-SELECTABLE AS THE DUM22A; AS PUBLISHED ON THE COMMERCIAL CHART. WE HAVE TYPICALLY BUILT THE APCH; OR ASKED FOR RADAR VECTORS. ON THIS PAST FLT; THE FLYING CREW SELECTED RWY 16 AND BUILT THE APCH BEFORE CREW CHANGE. WHILE ENRTE; I WAS LOOKING AT THE DIFFERENT ARRS FOR THE S RWYS AND FOUND THE ARRS ARE STILL LINE-SELECTABLE; BUT UNDER A DIFFERENT NAME. RWY 16 IS SELECTABLE AS DUM16; AND RWY 17L AS DUM17B (AS I RECALL). I HAVE SEEN THE PVG WX GO FROM VFR TO CAT II WHILE ON THE APCH. THAT IS NOT THE TIME TO BE BUILDING AN APCH; ESPECIALLY AFTER A 12 HR FLT. BUILDING AN APCH INTRODUCES THE POSSIBILITY OF AN ERROR. THE APCH PLATES NEED TO BE UPDATED OR A NOTAM ISSUED. CREWS NEED TO KNOW THIS INFO.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of May 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.