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Attributes | |
ACN | 789285 |
Time | |
Date | 200805 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : ord.airport |
State Reference | IL |
Altitude | agl single value : 4000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : c90.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B747 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : initial |
Route In Use | departure : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : c90.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B777 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : initial |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : departure |
Qualification | controller : radar |
Experience | controller military : 3 controller radar : 23 controller time certified in position1 : 10 |
ASRS Report | 789285 |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | FAA |
Primary Problem | FAA |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : ord.tower |
Narrative:
I was assigned the east/north departure position. Ord was on a plan X confign. At approximately XA12Z; air carrier X; a B747; departed runway 32L on a tower assigned heading of 020 degrees. At approximately XA17Z; air carrier Y; B777; departed runway 32L on a tower assigned heading of 020 degrees. There were several more similar type aircraft departing runway 32L on similar type headings. What makes this operation unsatisfactory is that both of these departures were issued a vector by ord tower that took these flts directly over the pwk airport. The day was VFR; the heavy departures actually complied with the SID; but not with much to spare. How difficult would it be for ord tower to issue a 330 degree heading and indicate your control on the departure strip? How difficult would it be to issue a 040 degree heading so as not to put that heavy departure directly over pwk? A good operating technique that has been lost was to never put that heavy departure over pwk. Proposed solution: I thought that ord tower was to stop vectoring the heavy; long-haulers over pwk; but I cannot find the document in the right and I (read and initial). My suggestion is for ord tower to stop vectoring the heavy; long-haulers over pwk.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: C90 CTLR VOICED CONCERN REGARDING ORD TWR HEADING ASSIGNMENT PROC THAT RESULTS IN HVY ACFT BEING ROUTED OVER PWK AT LOW ALTS.
Narrative: I WAS ASSIGNED THE E/N DEP POS. ORD WAS ON A PLAN X CONFIGN. AT APPROX XA12Z; ACR X; A B747; DEPARTED RWY 32L ON A TWR ASSIGNED HDG OF 020 DEGS. AT APPROX XA17Z; ACR Y; B777; DEPARTED RWY 32L ON A TWR ASSIGNED HDG OF 020 DEGS. THERE WERE SEVERAL MORE SIMILAR TYPE ACFT DEPARTING RWY 32L ON SIMILAR TYPE HDGS. WHAT MAKES THIS OP UNSATISFACTORY IS THAT BOTH OF THESE DEPS WERE ISSUED A VECTOR BY ORD TWR THAT TOOK THESE FLTS DIRECTLY OVER THE PWK ARPT. THE DAY WAS VFR; THE HVY DEPS ACTUALLY COMPLIED WITH THE SID; BUT NOT WITH MUCH TO SPARE. HOW DIFFICULT WOULD IT BE FOR ORD TWR TO ISSUE A 330 DEG HDG AND INDICATE YOUR CTL ON THE DEP STRIP? HOW DIFFICULT WOULD IT BE TO ISSUE A 040 DEG HDG SO AS NOT TO PUT THAT HVY DEP DIRECTLY OVER PWK? A GOOD OPERATING TECHNIQUE THAT HAS BEEN LOST WAS TO NEVER PUT THAT HVY DEP OVER PWK. PROPOSED SOLUTION: I THOUGHT THAT ORD TWR WAS TO STOP VECTORING THE HVY; LONG-HAULERS OVER PWK; BUT I CANNOT FIND THE DOCUMENT IN THE R AND I (READ AND INITIAL). MY SUGGESTION IS FOR ORD TWR TO STOP VECTORING THE HVY; LONG-HAULERS OVER PWK.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of May 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.