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Attributes | |
ACN | 793159 |
Time | |
Date | 200806 |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : jfk.airport |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | msl single value : 4000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : n90.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Regional Jet 200 ER&LR |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | climbout : initial |
Route In Use | departure : on vectors departure sid : kennedy 1 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 1 flight time total : 1800 flight time type : 700 |
ASRS Report | 793159 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 5700 flight time type : 3900 |
ASRS Report | 793157 |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory controller : issued new clearance |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Airspace Structure Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Narrative:
Before departure; we were issued a clearance to depart jfk to ZZZ onto kennedy 1 departure; breezy point climb; radar vectors to dixie then V16 to the next fix. This clearance was listened to and written down by both myself and the captain separately. It was verified on our flight plan and we verified the programming of our FMS. We both had our departure charts out. We performed the takeoff and were outbound on the breezy point climb when the ATC controller advised us to join V16 to dixie. I read back the clearance and then realized that V16 was not present on the K1 departures chart and that we did not have the inbound heading on V16 to dixie as our clearance gave us vectors to dixie. Due to the urgency of the situation and congestion at jfk we asked for a vector to dixie. The controller acted perturbed by this and gave us a heading to join V16 to dixie and a frequency change too. I clarified that we needed vectors to dixie and he said 'you can intercept V16.' I informed him we did not have it in our clearance and did not have the course. He gave us a heading a frequency and then said 'you can do it;' which I interpreted to mean you can go direct. However; due to the unclr nature of the statement I clearly stated what I thought he meant. 'Direct to dixie' and the frequency he then said to stay with him. He gave us a number to call and said rather mockingly that the number was in regards to most airlines being able to join a victor and then gave us a frequency. I read back the number and frequency in a professional manner; however; it upset me a good deal and took my attention away from the job at hand in a very busy and fast paced environment. This distraction in my opinion; was dangerous and could have been easily avoided by simply giving us a vector as was issued in our initial clearance. Changing someone's clearance in the departure phase of flight should be avoided; but I understand the nature of our business and that the need does present itself. However; when such a change is issued; it would be much safer and more prudent to offer with assistance; not harassment.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A CRJ200 PILOT ON THE KENNEDY 1 SID WAS TOLD TO INTERCEPT V16 AFTER TKOF. THE CREW WAS UNABLE DUE TO DEPARTURE WORK LOAD AND ASKED TO CALL LATER.
Narrative: BEFORE DEP; WE WERE ISSUED A CLRNC TO DEPART JFK TO ZZZ ONTO KENNEDY 1 DEP; BREEZY POINT CLB; RADAR VECTORS TO DIXIE THEN V16 TO THE NEXT FIX. THIS CLRNC WAS LISTENED TO AND WRITTEN DOWN BY BOTH MYSELF AND THE CAPT SEPARATELY. IT WAS VERIFIED ON OUR FLT PLAN AND WE VERIFIED THE PROGRAMMING OF OUR FMS. WE BOTH HAD OUR DEP CHARTS OUT. WE PERFORMED THE TKOF AND WERE OUTBOUND ON THE BREEZY POINT CLB WHEN THE ATC CTLR ADVISED US TO JOIN V16 TO DIXIE. I READ BACK THE CLRNC AND THEN REALIZED THAT V16 WAS NOT PRESENT ON THE K1 DEPS CHART AND THAT WE DID NOT HAVE THE INBOUND HDG ON V16 TO DIXIE AS OUR CLRNC GAVE US VECTORS TO DIXIE. DUE TO THE URGENCY OF THE SITUATION AND CONGESTION AT JFK WE ASKED FOR A VECTOR TO DIXIE. THE CTLR ACTED PERTURBED BY THIS AND GAVE US A HDG TO JOIN V16 TO DIXIE AND A FREQ CHANGE TOO. I CLARIFIED THAT WE NEEDED VECTORS TO DIXIE AND HE SAID 'YOU CAN INTERCEPT V16.' I INFORMED HIM WE DID NOT HAVE IT IN OUR CLRNC AND DID NOT HAVE THE COURSE. HE GAVE US A HDG A FREQ AND THEN SAID 'YOU CAN DO IT;' WHICH I INTERPED TO MEAN YOU CAN GO DIRECT. HOWEVER; DUE TO THE UNCLR NATURE OF THE STATEMENT I CLRLY STATED WHAT I THOUGHT HE MEANT. 'DIRECT TO DIXIE' AND THE FREQ HE THEN SAID TO STAY WITH HIM. HE GAVE US A NUMBER TO CALL AND SAID RATHER MOCKINGLY THAT THE NUMBER WAS IN REGARDS TO MOST AIRLINES BEING ABLE TO JOIN A VICTOR AND THEN GAVE US A FREQ. I READ BACK THE NUMBER AND FREQ IN A PROFESSIONAL MANNER; HOWEVER; IT UPSET ME A GOOD DEAL AND TOOK MY ATTN AWAY FROM THE JOB AT HAND IN A VERY BUSY AND FAST PACED ENVIRONMENT. THIS DISTR IN MY OPINION; WAS DANGEROUS AND COULD HAVE BEEN EASILY AVOIDED BY SIMPLY GIVING US A VECTOR AS WAS ISSUED IN OUR INITIAL CLRNC. CHANGING SOMEONE'S CLRNC IN THE DEP PHASE OF FLT SHOULD BE AVOIDED; BUT I UNDERSTAND THE NATURE OF OUR BUSINESS AND THAT THE NEED DOES PRESENT ITSELF. HOWEVER; WHEN SUCH A CHANGE IS ISSUED; IT WOULD BE MUCH SAFER AND MORE PRUDENT TO OFFER WITH ASSISTANCE; NOT HARASSMENT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of May 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.