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Attributes | |
ACN | 793313 |
Time | |
Date | 200807 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : zzz.airport |
State Reference | US |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : zzz.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | A320 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | ground : takeoff roll ground : parked |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : zzz.tower |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Flight Phase | descent : approach landing : go around |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 6000 |
ASRS Report | 793313 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : local |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : ground less severe |
Independent Detector | other controllerb other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
Cleared on to hold just as air carrier Y landed and missed nearest exit with traffic on 4 mi final. 'Air carrier Y; no delay clearing runway; aircraft on runway for departure and 1 on short final.' 'air carrier X cleared for takeoff runway xxr; no delay on the roll; aircraft 2 mi final.' we acknowledge; push it up and release brakes as tower controller begins long radio transmission telling aircraft short final this isn't going to work; air carrier X cancel takeoff while we were in the middle of our takeoff callouts 'airspeed alive;' 'power set.' my alert first officer tells tower 'we're on takeoff roll' and the controller simultaneously announces I see you're on takeoff roll; continue takeoff and begins giving aircraft short final go around instructions. Moral to story: no reason to push the spacing; no aircraft waiting to take off behind us. Tower controller did not seem to understand the takeoff as a critical phase of flight involving callouts and monitoring; we were rapidly entering the high speed reject regime as we finished hearing and understanding his radio call distracting our callouts up to V1. Get tower controllers back in the cockpit every now and then to understand the discomfort of sitting on the runway as the meat in sandwich between aircraft exiting and aircraft landing while trying to make takeoff timing work out during a critical monitoring phase of flight especially when unnecessary.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN A320 FLT CREW REPORTED WHAT THEY SAW AS OVERLY AGGRESSIVE SPACING ON DEPARTURES AND ARRIVALS.
Narrative: CLRED ON TO HOLD JUST AS ACR Y LANDED AND MISSED NEAREST EXIT WITH TFC ON 4 MI FINAL. 'ACR Y; NO DELAY CLRING RWY; ACFT ON RWY FOR DEP AND 1 ON SHORT FINAL.' 'ACR X CLRED FOR TKOF RWY XXR; NO DELAY ON THE ROLL; ACFT 2 MI FINAL.' WE ACKNOWLEDGE; PUSH IT UP AND RELEASE BRAKES AS TWR CTLR BEGINS LONG RADIO XMISSION TELLING ACFT SHORT FINAL THIS ISN'T GOING TO WORK; ACR X CANCEL TKOF WHILE WE WERE IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR TKOF CALLOUTS 'AIRSPD ALIVE;' 'PWR SET.' MY ALERT FO TELLS TWR 'WE'RE ON TKOF ROLL' AND THE CTLR SIMULTANEOUSLY ANNOUNCES I SEE YOU'RE ON TKOF ROLL; CONTINUE TKOF AND BEGINS GIVING ACFT SHORT FINAL GAR INSTRUCTIONS. MORAL TO STORY: NO REASON TO PUSH THE SPACING; NO ACFT WAITING TO TAKE OFF BEHIND US. TWR CTLR DID NOT SEEM TO UNDERSTAND THE TKOF AS A CRITICAL PHASE OF FLT INVOLVING CALLOUTS AND MONITORING; WE WERE RAPIDLY ENTERING THE HIGH SPD REJECT REGIME AS WE FINISHED HEARING AND UNDERSTANDING HIS RADIO CALL DISTRACTING OUR CALLOUTS UP TO V1. GET TWR CTLRS BACK IN THE COCKPIT EVERY NOW AND THEN TO UNDERSTAND THE DISCOMFORT OF SITTING ON THE RWY AS THE MEAT IN SANDWICH BTWN ACFT EXITING AND ACFT LNDG WHILE TRYING TO MAKE TKOF TIMING WORK OUT DURING A CRITICAL MONITORING PHASE OF FLT ESPECIALLY WHEN UNNECESSARY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of May 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.