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Attributes | |
ACN | 793433 |
Time | |
Date | 200806 |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : elp.airport |
State Reference | TX |
Altitude | agl single value : 400 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : elp.tower tower : zzz.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-300 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : visual |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 8500 flight time type : 4000 |
ASRS Report | 793433 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne critical |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : tcas other flight crewa |
Consequence | other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 1500 vertical : 300 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance FAA Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Narrative:
Flight was about 25 NM north of elp descending to 9000 ft MSL. We called the airport in sight and requested a visual approach. El paso tower responded with 'cleared visual approach runway 22; maintain 5000 ft until established on final for 2 helicopters in traffic pattern at biggs AFB. I'm not talking with them.' we turned final at 5200 ft MSL; intercepted runway 22 localizer and GS down. At 400 ft AGL; we got a TCAS alert for a yellow; round target at -300 ft from our position. The captain focused on landing because we were right above the ground while I diverted my attention to find the encroaching target. About 10 seconds later; in the dark; I spotted a helicopter just above the ground; tracking a road that parallels the runway 22 final course; headed in the opposite direction towards us. By the time I spotted the helicopter; we might have 100-200 ft vertical separation and 1/2 SM at the most. It was very dark out with no moon. When the tower controller told us we had traffic off our right wing; I told him we already got a TCAS alert on the helicopter. After landing; a discussion between us and el paso tower began over the frequency. The tower controller has reported many times how he thinks the close helicopter operations have sacrificed safety buffer and practices. No changes have been made as a result of his concerns. This helicopter was goofing off; following a road right next to our runway.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B737 ON SHORT FINAL TO ELP AT 400 FT; EXPERIENCED TCAS TA WITH HELI OPERATING AT LOW ALT OVER ROAD PARALLEL TO LNDG RWY; TFC ISSUED.
Narrative: FLT WAS ABOUT 25 NM N OF ELP DSNDING TO 9000 FT MSL. WE CALLED THE ARPT IN SIGHT AND REQUESTED A VISUAL APCH. EL PASO TWR RESPONDED WITH 'CLRED VISUAL APCH RWY 22; MAINTAIN 5000 FT UNTIL ESTABLISHED ON FINAL FOR 2 HELIS IN TFC PATTERN AT BIGGS AFB. I'M NOT TALKING WITH THEM.' WE TURNED FINAL AT 5200 FT MSL; INTERCEPTED RWY 22 LOC AND GS DOWN. AT 400 FT AGL; WE GOT A TCAS ALERT FOR A YELLOW; ROUND TARGET AT -300 FT FROM OUR POS. THE CAPT FOCUSED ON LNDG BECAUSE WE WERE RIGHT ABOVE THE GND WHILE I DIVERTED MY ATTN TO FIND THE ENCROACHING TARGET. ABOUT 10 SECONDS LATER; IN THE DARK; I SPOTTED A HELI JUST ABOVE THE GND; TRACKING A ROAD THAT PARALLELS THE RWY 22 FINAL COURSE; HEADED IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION TOWARDS US. BY THE TIME I SPOTTED THE HELI; WE MIGHT HAVE 100-200 FT VERT SEPARATION AND 1/2 SM AT THE MOST. IT WAS VERY DARK OUT WITH NO MOON. WHEN THE TWR CTLR TOLD US WE HAD TFC OFF OUR R WING; I TOLD HIM WE ALREADY GOT A TCAS ALERT ON THE HELI. AFTER LNDG; A DISCUSSION BTWN US AND EL PASO TWR BEGAN OVER THE FREQ. THE TWR CTLR HAS RPTED MANY TIMES HOW HE THINKS THE CLOSE HELI OPS HAVE SACRIFICED SAFETY BUFFER AND PRACTICES. NO CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE AS A RESULT OF HIS CONCERNS. THIS HELI WAS GOOFING OFF; FOLLOWING A ROAD RIGHT NEXT TO OUR RWY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of May 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.