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Attributes | |
ACN | 793734 |
Time | |
Date | 200807 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lax.airport |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl single value : 19000 |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : sct.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B757 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 16500 flight time type : 650 |
ASRS Report | 793734 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 7000 flight time type : 3000 |
ASRS Report | 793735 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Airspace Structure Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance Airport |
Primary Problem | Airspace Structure |
Narrative:
We planned and briefed for the riivr 1 arrival into lax runway 25L; and programmed the FMC with the riivr 1; hec transition; runway 25L; fueler transition. ATC cleared us to cross gramm at FL190 with a speed restr of 270 KTS. We complied. At gramm; we expected a clearance to descend via the STAR. We were not given lower (probably due to frequency congestion); which put us high on the arrival. Still at FL190; we were handed off to socal 124.05. We were cleared to descend via the riivr 1 for runway 24R on 124.05; and slowed to 250 KTS. I read back the STAR; requested runway confirmation from ATC (since we were expecting runway 25L) and set the MCP for 14000 ft (habso). We were approximately 6 miles from habso and high on profile. The first officer initiated an immediate descent while I tried to get a word in edgewise with ATC for altitude relief on the profile. While trying to contact ATC (congestion-unable to make call without stepping on someone); I selected runway 24R in the FMC which dumped the arrival out of the FMC. I reselected the riivr 1 arrival; while receiving altitude relief from ATC and another frequency change. The next socal controller cleared us to continue on the riivr 1 for runway 24R; deleting the altitude restrs; and slowing us to 170K. We briefed runway 24R; set up the radios; and resumed the profile by palac; for a stabilized; uneventful approach and landing. We were busy and rushed due to being held by ATC at FL190; and receiving a late runway assignment. Though we received altitude relief and did not have any deviations; we would not have been able to comply with the at or below crossing altitudes on the STAR while decelerating. Preprogramming runway 24R on route 2 would have reduced our workload; but we still would have been high; rushed; and heads down in the FMC. ATC congestion and the inability to make a radio call aggravated the situation. We are both very familiar with lax late descent clearance; late runway assignment; frequency congestion; and a crew error (selecting runway 24R without reselecting the entire arrival) created a very busy approach and unnecessarily high cockpit workload. This could have turned into an unsafe situation; especially if a crew is unfamiliar with lax. Socal needs to change their procedures to include earlier runway assignments. They need better understanding of cockpit workload and requirements to program the FMC. Instead of decreasing crew workload; the lax RNAV arrs introduce additional hazards into the cockpit; particularly when 'modified' by ATC.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A B757 CREW BRIEFED AND PROGRAMMED FOR THE LAX RIIVR 1 RWY 25L BUT WERE GIVEN RWY 24R. THEY WERE BEHIND THE ACFT BUT GIVEN ALT RELIEF BY ATC DURING THE ARR.
Narrative: WE PLANNED AND BRIEFED FOR THE RIIVR 1 ARR INTO LAX RWY 25L; AND PROGRAMMED THE FMC WITH THE RIIVR 1; HEC TRANSITION; RUNWAY 25L; FUELER TRANSITION. ATC CLEARED US TO CROSS GRAMM AT FL190 WITH A SPEED RESTR OF 270 KTS. WE COMPLIED. AT GRAMM; WE EXPECTED A CLRNC TO DSND VIA THE STAR. WE WERE NOT GIVEN LOWER (PROBABLY DUE TO FREQUENCY CONGESTION); WHICH PUT US HIGH ON THE ARR. STILL AT FL190; WE WERE HANDED OFF TO SOCAL 124.05. WE WERE CLEARED TO DSND VIA THE RIIVR 1 FOR RWY 24R ON 124.05; AND SLOWED TO 250 KTS. I READ BACK THE STAR; REQUESTED RWY CONFIRMATION FROM ATC (SINCE WE WERE EXPECTING RWY 25L) AND SET THE MCP FOR 14000 FT (HABSO). WE WERE APPROX 6 MILES FROM HABSO AND HIGH ON PROFILE. THE FO INITIATED AN IMMEDIATE DSCNT WHILE I TRIED TO GET A WORD IN EDGEWISE WITH ATC FOR ALTITUDE RELIEF ON THE PROFILE. WHILE TRYING TO CONTACT ATC (CONGESTION-UNABLE TO MAKE CALL WITHOUT STEPPING ON SOMEONE); I SELECTED RWY 24R IN THE FMC WHICH DUMPED THE ARR OUT OF THE FMC. I RESELECTED THE RIIVR 1 ARR; WHILE RECEIVING ALTITUDE RELIEF FROM ATC AND ANOTHER FREQUENCY CHANGE. THE NEXT SOCAL CTLR CLEARED US TO CONTINUE ON THE RIIVR 1 FOR RWY 24R; DELETING THE ALTITUDE RESTRS; AND SLOWING US TO 170K. WE BRIEFED RWY 24R; SET UP THE RADIOS; AND RESUMED THE PROFILE BY PALAC; FOR A STABILIZED; UNEVENTFUL APCH AND LNDG. WE WERE BUSY AND RUSHED DUE TO BEING HELD BY ATC AT FL190; AND RECEIVING A LATE RWY ASSIGNMENT. THOUGH WE RECEIVED ALTITUDE RELIEF AND DID NOT HAVE ANY DEVS; WE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO COMPLY WITH THE AT OR BELOW CROSSING ALTS ON THE STAR WHILE DECELERATING. PREPROGRAMMING RWY 24R ON RTE 2 WOULD HAVE REDUCED OUR WORKLOAD; BUT WE STILL WOULD HAVE BEEN HIGH; RUSHED; AND HEADS DOWN IN THE FMC. ATC CONGESTION AND THE INABILITY TO MAKE A RADIO CALL AGGRAVATED THE SITUATION. WE ARE BOTH VERY FAMILIAR WITH LAX LATE DSCNT CLRNC; LATE RWY ASSIGNMENT; FREQUENCY CONGESTION; AND A CREW ERROR (SELECTING RWY 24R WITHOUT RESELECTING THE ENTIRE ARR) CREATED A VERY BUSY APCH AND UNNECESSARILY HIGH COCKPIT WORKLOAD. THIS COULD HAVE TURNED INTO AN UNSAFE SITUATION; ESPECIALLY IF A CREW IS UNFAMILIAR WITH LAX. SOCAL NEEDS TO CHANGE THEIR PROCS TO INCLUDE EARLIER RWY ASSIGNMENTS. THEY NEED BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF COCKPIT WORKLOAD AND REQUIREMENTS TO PROGRAM THE FMC. INSTEAD OF DECREASING CREW WORKLOAD; THE LAX RNAV ARRS INTRODUCE ADDITIONAL HAZARDS INTO THE COCKPIT; PARTICULARLY WHEN 'MODIFIED' BY ATC.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of May 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.