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Attributes | |
ACN | 794251 |
Time | |
Date | 200807 |
Local Time Of Day | 0001 To 0600 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : jac.airport |
State Reference | WY |
Altitude | msl single value : 16000 |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zlc.artcc tower : zzz.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B757-200 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 175 flight time total : 25000 flight time type : 5000 |
ASRS Report | 794251 |
Events | |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Airport |
Primary Problem | Airport |
Narrative:
Could not obtain AWOS data for approach on tower operating AWOS frequency. Audio was too weak. I later switched to the tower closed AWOS (as tower was now closed for the night) and again found the audio unusually weak/unusable. Asked slc ARTCC what was runway in use and was told runway 19. Controller gave me WX but stated 'it was old; over one hour old.' that most recent WX report plus VMC caused me to believe that obtaining a most recent WX report was really just a 'paperwork' formality. We were still committed to flying an ILS runway 19. As we proceeded closer to jac I knew I was not complying with the far that requires a current WX report. So I tried yet again and finally was able to barely comprehend an extremely weak; almost unusable audio AWOS on 120.62 tower closed frequency. Guess what? The winds were out of the north at 11 KTS! We then told slc ARTCC that we need the VOR 1 for landing north. The rest of the flight was uneventful. 2 outcomes: 1) I called the flight dispatch manager before the next flight to depart for jac and told him that the tower closed AWOS was nearly unusable and the next crew needs an alert. I urged the dispatch manager to also have that particular AWOS inspected/investigated. 2) just when you think you can slide by with a 'minor' far violation; don't even think of it. My guilty conscience pushed me to check the AWOS one last time; and lo and behold; in doing so it saved us from a nasty surprise; or worse.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR CAPT REPORTS JAC AWOS EXTREMELY WEAK AND NEARLY UNREADABLE.
Narrative: COULD NOT OBTAIN AWOS DATA FOR APCH ON TWR OPERATING AWOS FREQ. AUDIO WAS TOO WEAK. I LATER SWITCHED TO THE TWR CLOSED AWOS (AS TWR WAS NOW CLOSED FOR THE NIGHT) AND AGAIN FOUND THE AUDIO UNUSUALLY WEAK/UNUSABLE. ASKED SLC ARTCC WHAT WAS RWY IN USE AND WAS TOLD RWY 19. CTLR GAVE ME WX BUT STATED 'IT WAS OLD; OVER ONE HR OLD.' THAT MOST RECENT WX RPT PLUS VMC CAUSED ME TO BELIEVE THAT OBTAINING A MOST RECENT WX RPT WAS REALLY JUST A 'PAPERWORK' FORMALITY. WE WERE STILL COMMITTED TO FLYING AN ILS RWY 19. AS WE PROCEEDED CLOSER TO JAC I KNEW I WAS NOT COMPLYING WITH THE FAR THAT REQUIRES A CURRENT WX RPT. SO I TRIED YET AGAIN AND FINALLY WAS ABLE TO BARELY COMPREHEND AN EXTREMELY WEAK; ALMOST UNUSABLE AUDIO AWOS ON 120.62 TWR CLOSED FREQ. GUESS WHAT? THE WINDS WERE OUT OF THE N AT 11 KTS! WE THEN TOLD SLC ARTCC THAT WE NEED THE VOR 1 FOR LNDG N. THE REST OF THE FLT WAS UNEVENTFUL. 2 OUTCOMES: 1) I CALLED THE FLT DISPATCH MGR BEFORE THE NEXT FLT TO DEPART FOR JAC AND TOLD HIM THAT THE TWR CLOSED AWOS WAS NEARLY UNUSABLE AND THE NEXT CREW NEEDS AN ALERT. I URGED THE DISPATCH MGR TO ALSO HAVE THAT PARTICULAR AWOS INSPECTED/INVESTIGATED. 2) JUST WHEN YOU THINK YOU CAN SLIDE BY WITH A 'MINOR' FAR VIOLATION; DON'T EVEN THINK OF IT. MY GUILTY CONSCIENCE PUSHED ME TO CHK THE AWOS ONE LAST TIME; AND LO AND BEHOLD; IN DOING SO IT SAVED US FROM A NASTY SURPRISE; OR WORSE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of May 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.