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Attributes | |
ACN | 794286 |
Time | |
Date | 200807 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lfpg.airport |
State Reference | FO |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zzz.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B777-200 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | ground : taxi ground : takeoff roll |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 50 flight time total : 19000 flight time type : 200 |
ASRS Report | 794268 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : relief pilot |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 155 flight time total : 15000 flight time type : 1200 |
ASRS Report | 794281 |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : company policies non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Chart Or Publication |
Primary Problem | Chart Or Publication |
Situations | |
Chart | airport : lfpg.airport |
Narrative:
Inadvertently departed runway 27L at Y11 with data for full length runway 27L. Should have had runway 27LJ. Noticed error after takeoff and reviewed to see if data was still valid for Y11 and found our weight was under for either departure point. So no performance issues. In fact data was virtually the same. During pre-departure briefing it was mentioned that this was our standard departure point and the data was good. A few things that may be a factor is how the commercial page shows runway 27L with approach lights preceding the point where Y11 starts; of course this is a displaced threshold but it leads one to see it as the beginning of the runway. Also after searching other pages to see if we missed anything; some information was found but not enough to directly point us in a more clear direction to use intersection data. This was my first time in 14 years to fly to lfpg. I would like to see perhaps on one page information as to what is our usual departure points and a note about using runway 27LJ if departing on runway 27L. Crew was involved in the debrief to identify what occurred and how not to let this happen again.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN ACR PLT DEPARTED LFPG RWY 27L AT Y11 WHICH IS 1969 FT SHORT OF THE END. THE ARPT CHART RWY LIGHTING DEPICTION GIVES THE ILLUSION THAT Y11 IS THE RWY END.
Narrative: INADVERTENTLY DEPARTED RWY 27L AT Y11 WITH DATA FOR FULL LENGTH RWY 27L. SHOULD HAVE HAD RWY 27LJ. NOTICED ERROR AFTER TAKEOFF AND REVIEWED TO SEE IF DATA WAS STILL VALID FOR Y11 AND FOUND OUR WEIGHT WAS UNDER FOR EITHER DEP POINT. SO NO PERFORMANCE ISSUES. IN FACT DATA WAS VIRTUALLY THE SAME. DURING PRE-DEP BRIEFING IT WAS MENTIONED THAT THIS WAS OUR STANDARD DEP POINT AND THE DATA WAS GOOD. A FEW THINGS THAT MAY BE A FACTOR IS HOW THE COMMERCIAL PAGE SHOWS RWY 27L WITH APCH LIGHTS PRECEDING THE POINT WHERE Y11 STARTS; OF COURSE THIS IS A DISPLACED THRESHOLD BUT IT LEADS ONE TO SEE IT AS THE BEGINNING OF THE RWY. ALSO AFTER SEARCHING OTHER PAGES TO SEE IF WE MISSED ANYTHING; SOME INFO WAS FOUND BUT NOT ENOUGH TO DIRECTLY POINT US IN A MORE CLEAR DIRECTION TO USE INTXN DATA. THIS WAS MY FIRST TIME IN 14 YEARS TO FLY TO LFPG. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE PERHAPS ON ONE PAGE INFORMATION AS TO WHAT IS OUR USUAL DEP POINTS AND A NOTE ABOUT USING RWY 27LJ IF DEPARTING ON RWY 27L. CREW WAS INVOLVED IN THE DEBRIEF TO IDENTIFY WHAT OCCURRED AND HOW NOT TO LET THIS HAPPEN AGAIN.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of May 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.