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Attributes | |
ACN | 795738 |
Time | |
Date | 200807 |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : ord.airport |
State Reference | IL |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Weather Elements | Rain Thunderstorm |
Light | Dusk |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport Low Wing 2 Turbojet Eng |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | landing : roll |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 17000 flight time type : 7000 |
ASRS Report | 795738 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 1700 flight time type : 200 |
ASRS Report | 795739 |
Events | |
Anomaly | excursion : runway |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : unable |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Weather Airport Chart Or Publication |
Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Narrative:
During approach to runway 4R in chicago; ord; I was pilot monitoring and the first officer was PF. There was bad WX in the vicinity of the airport; partly cloudy sky. I started to feel and watch a strong crosswind from the right which was corrected by the first officer during landing. The runway was wet which was not informed neither by the tower nor by the ATIS. During touchdown the first officer applied maximum reverse and maximum braking with the antiskid relevating pressure asymmetrically until we completely stopped at the end of the runway. With brakes set; I took control of the aircraft; the tower asked if we needed any assistance and I answered that I would move forward in order to make a 180 degree turn; when applying thrust for the maneuver over the 'apparently' paved surface I felt a lot of resistance not being able to move swiftly and turn. We requested help from the tower and they sent the rescue team who informed us that we were in the newly constructed emas (for which we didn't have any information whatsoever); and that the nosewheel was stuck in the collapsed concrete. We checked immediately for passenger and crew status; we gave a PA to explain that everything was fine and under control; passenger deplaned coordinately with ground personnel and auths to busses which took them to the terminal. Commercial chart gives no information on ord's emas; specifically no information for the emas at the end of runway 4R; there are no markings. Supplemental information from acn 795739: during approach to runway 4R in ord; I was the PF and found a strong crosswind with unexpected gusts of about 10 KTS due to bad WX in the vicinity. During the landing roll; the runway was wet which was not informed by the tower or the ATIS. Because of this condition; I applied maximum reverse and maximum brakes and the antiskid relieved pressure several times; we came to a complete stop at the end of the runway. The captain took control of the aircraft to initiate a 180 degree turn and when starting the forward motion in order to turn; we encountered a compacted gray surface where the aircraft couldn't move anymore. The captain applied more thrust and when there wasn't a normal aircraft movement we asked assistance from the airport. We checked immediately the status of our passenger and crew; when we found out everybody was fine; we gave a PA and everybody left the airplane by stair and bus in a normal and organized manner.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AFTER LONG LANDING ON RWY 4R AT ORD ACR FLT CREW ATTEMPTS TO USE EMAS TO TURN AROUND AND GETS STUCK.
Narrative: DURING APCH TO RWY 4R IN CHICAGO; ORD; I WAS PLT MONITORING AND THE FO WAS PF. THERE WAS BAD WX IN THE VICINITY OF THE ARPT; PARTLY CLOUDY SKY. I STARTED TO FEEL AND WATCH A STRONG XWIND FROM THE R WHICH WAS CORRECTED BY THE FO DURING LNDG. THE RWY WAS WET WHICH WAS NOT INFORMED NEITHER BY THE TWR NOR BY THE ATIS. DURING TOUCHDOWN THE FO APPLIED MAX REVERSE AND MAX BRAKING WITH THE ANTISKID RELEVATING PRESSURE ASYMMETRICALLY UNTIL WE COMPLETELY STOPPED AT THE END OF THE RWY. WITH BRAKES SET; I TOOK CTL OF THE ACFT; THE TWR ASKED IF WE NEEDED ANY ASSISTANCE AND I ANSWERED THAT I WOULD MOVE FORWARD IN ORDER TO MAKE A 180 DEG TURN; WHEN APPLYING THRUST FOR THE MANEUVER OVER THE 'APPARENTLY' PAVED SURFACE I FELT A LOT OF RESISTANCE NOT BEING ABLE TO MOVE SWIFTLY AND TURN. WE REQUESTED HELP FROM THE TWR AND THEY SENT THE RESCUE TEAM WHO INFORMED US THAT WE WERE IN THE NEWLY CONSTRUCTED EMAS (FOR WHICH WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY INFO WHATSOEVER); AND THAT THE NOSEWHEEL WAS STUCK IN THE COLLAPSED CONCRETE. WE CHKED IMMEDIATELY FOR PAX AND CREW STATUS; WE GAVE A PA TO EXPLAIN THAT EVERYTHING WAS FINE AND UNDER CTL; PAX DEPLANED COORDINATELY WITH GND PERSONNEL AND AUTHS TO BUSSES WHICH TOOK THEM TO THE TERMINAL. COMMERCIAL CHART GIVES NO INFO ON ORD'S EMAS; SPECIFICALLY NO INFO FOR THE EMAS AT THE END OF RWY 4R; THERE ARE NO MARKINGS. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 795739: DURING APCH TO RWY 4R IN ORD; I WAS THE PF AND FOUND A STRONG XWIND WITH UNEXPECTED GUSTS OF ABOUT 10 KTS DUE TO BAD WX IN THE VICINITY. DURING THE LNDG ROLL; THE RWY WAS WET WHICH WAS NOT INFORMED BY THE TWR OR THE ATIS. BECAUSE OF THIS CONDITION; I APPLIED MAX REVERSE AND MAX BRAKES AND THE ANTISKID RELIEVED PRESSURE SEVERAL TIMES; WE CAME TO A COMPLETE STOP AT THE END OF THE RWY. THE CAPT TOOK CTL OF THE ACFT TO INITIATE A 180 DEG TURN AND WHEN STARTING THE FORWARD MOTION IN ORDER TO TURN; WE ENCOUNTERED A COMPACTED GRAY SURFACE WHERE THE ACFT COULDN'T MOVE ANYMORE. THE CAPT APPLIED MORE THRUST AND WHEN THERE WASN'T A NORMAL ACFT MOVEMENT WE ASKED ASSISTANCE FROM THE ARPT. WE CHKED IMMEDIATELY THE STATUS OF OUR PAX AND CREW; WHEN WE FOUND OUT EVERYBODY WAS FINE; WE GAVE A PA AND EVERYBODY LEFT THE AIRPLANE BY STAIR AND BUS IN A NORMAL AND ORGANIZED MANNER.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of May 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.