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Attributes | |
ACN | 806992 |
Time | |
Date | 200810 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : fso.airport |
State Reference | VT |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 1000 msl bound upper : 18000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | other |
Make Model Name | Cessna 210 Centurion / Turbo Centurion 210C 210D |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | government other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 760 flight time type : 500 |
ASRS Report | 806992 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took precautionary avoidance action |
Miss Distance | vertical : 1800 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | FAA Flight Crew Human Performance Airport |
Primary Problem | FAA |
Situations | |
Airport | procedure or policy : mal.airport |
Narrative:
The area from fso to ogs is inundated with excess radio traffic on channels 122.80 and 123.00 coming from canadian airports. The carp airport (cyrp) is the main offender since a lot of primary training takes place at this airport. The canadian way of calling traffic at uncontrolled airports is long-winded at the least and extremely excessive in most cases. A recent example of how this affects operations occurred over ogs. A commuter was departing while I was passing in the vicinity of the airport and I was unable to hear the commuter's taxi and departing traffic calls on 122.80 due to constant traffic coming from cyrp. Conditions were cavu and I was able to see the commuter taxi onto the runway and avoid an incident. A verbatim traffic call from cyrp is typically 'carp area traffic this is cessna cxxxx; a cessna 172 over the village of carp. I am approximately 5 NM from your aerodrome at 1500 ft MSL and my intentions are to pass overhead and enter a left downwind approach for a touch and go landing on runway 28 at carp. Any conflicting traffic please notify cessna cxxxx on 122 decimal 8.' it seems that there are always three or four aircraft in the pattern at cyrp and they're all calling traffic in a similarly excessive way for every phase of takeoff and landing. If there's a potential conflict in traffic then they usually spend three or four minutes working out the conflict over the air. On 123.00; the traffic is mainly in french but translates to the same method and phraseology. On 122.30 there is also a large amount of chat and banter that interferes with traffic at mss. 122.80 problems affects fso; mal; ptd and ogs while the 123.00 affects mss. Additionally; the distance between all of these airports is relatively small and the anomaly of 123.00 virtually assures that conflicting traffic between the surrounding airports and mss will be on different channels. A solution to this problem would be to put fso; mal; mss; ptd and ogs on a different channel that is not inundated with canadian traffic such as 122.70 (pbg). This could reduce the possibility that conflicting traffic will be heard over the excessive and repetitive method that canadians call VFR traffic in an uncontrolled environment.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: C210 PLT RPTS CONGESTION ON UNICOM FREQUENCIES AT FSO; OGS; PTD; MSS; AND MAL; DUE TO USE OF THESE FREQUENCIES BY CANADIAN USERS.
Narrative: THE AREA FROM FSO TO OGS IS INUNDATED WITH EXCESS RADIO TFC ON CHANNELS 122.80 AND 123.00 COMING FROM CANADIAN ARPTS. THE CARP ARPT (CYRP) IS THE MAIN OFFENDER SINCE A LOT OF PRIMARY TRAINING TAKES PLACE AT THIS ARPT. THE CANADIAN WAY OF CALLING TFC AT UNCONTROLLED ARPTS IS LONG-WINDED AT THE LEAST AND EXTREMELY EXCESSIVE IN MOST CASES. A RECENT EXAMPLE OF HOW THIS AFFECTS OPERATIONS OCCURRED OVER OGS. A COMMUTER WAS DEPARTING WHILE I WAS PASSING IN THE VICINITY OF THE ARPT AND I WAS UNABLE TO HEAR THE COMMUTER'S TAXI AND DEPARTING TFC CALLS ON 122.80 DUE TO CONSTANT TFC COMING FROM CYRP. CONDITIONS WERE CAVU AND I WAS ABLE TO SEE THE COMMUTER TAXI ONTO THE RWY AND AVOID AN INCIDENT. A VERBATIM TFC CALL FROM CYRP IS TYPICALLY 'CARP AREA TFC THIS IS CESSNA CXXXX; A CESSNA 172 OVER THE VILLAGE OF CARP. I AM APPROX 5 NM FROM YOUR AERODROME AT 1500 FT MSL AND MY INTENTIONS ARE TO PASS OVERHEAD AND ENTER A LEFT DOWNWIND APCH FOR A TOUCH AND GO LNDG ON RWY 28 AT CARP. ANY CONFLICTING TFC PLEASE NOTIFY CESSNA CXXXX ON 122 DECIMAL 8.' IT SEEMS THAT THERE ARE ALWAYS THREE OR FOUR ACFT IN THE PATTERN AT CYRP AND THEY'RE ALL CALLING TFC IN A SIMILARLY EXCESSIVE WAY FOR EVERY PHASE OF TAKEOFF AND LNDG. IF THERE'S A POTENTIAL CONFLICT IN TFC THEN THEY USUALLY SPEND THREE OR FOUR MINUTES WORKING OUT THE CONFLICT OVER THE AIR. ON 123.00; THE TFC IS MAINLY IN FRENCH BUT TRANSLATES TO THE SAME METHOD AND PHRASEOLOGY. ON 122.30 THERE IS ALSO A LARGE AMOUNT OF CHAT AND BANTER THAT INTERFERES WITH TFC AT MSS. 122.80 PROBLEMS AFFECTS FSO; MAL; PTD AND OGS WHILE THE 123.00 AFFECTS MSS. ADDITIONALLY; THE DISTANCE BETWEEN ALL OF THESE ARPTS IS RELATIVELY SMALL AND THE ANOMALY OF 123.00 VIRTUALLY ASSURES THAT CONFLICTING TFC BETWEEN THE SURROUNDING ARPTS AND MSS WILL BE ON DIFFERENT CHANNELS. A SOLUTION TO THIS PROBLEM WOULD BE TO PUT FSO; MAL; MSS; PTD AND OGS ON A DIFFERENT CHANNEL THAT IS NOT INUNDATED WITH CANADIAN TFC SUCH AS 122.70 (PBG). THIS COULD REDUCE THE POSSIBILITY THAT CONFLICTING TFC WILL BE HEARD OVER THE EXCESSIVE AND REPETITIVE METHOD THAT CANADIANS CALL VFR TFC IN AN UNCONTROLLED ENVIRONMENT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of May 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.