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Attributes | |
ACN | 80991 |
Time | |
Date | 198801 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : ewr |
State Reference | NJ |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Dusk |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 4000 |
ASRS Report | 80991 |
Person 2 | |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | inflight encounter : weather other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Airport |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Situations | |
Airport | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
When landed at newark it was snowing moderately. The ground was warm and the snow was turning to slush. For the ensuing departure I requested that my gross weight be predicated on 1/4' slush on the runway. A quick check of the load revealed that only 1 runway could be safely used--runway 4R. Since the tower wanted to use 4R for lndgs I was given a delay of 3 hours for departure on this runway. I asked that 4L be plowed since I would be legal on that runway west/O the slush. I was told that it was clear. We taxied to 4L and sure enough it was clear. Only when we began to rotate for takeoff and I could see the departure end of my runway did I realize that I had been had. The last 1/3 of the runway was covered with slush. Had I lost an engine after V1 I do not believe that I could have continued the takeoff successfully. Some tower facs are very uncooperative with the airport users. They only understand their problems and have no understanding of the hardships and hazards their intransients cause operators. With 1 1/2 hours elapsing between the time I landed and the time I took off, I later learned that no snow plowing had taken place. Cbc revealed the following information: aircraft were being deiced as a result of the continuous snow. Was anxious to get to the runway and get airborne west/O any extended delay account the deicing. Runway looked good until he reached the rotation point when last 1/2 of runway slush covered and would have been impossible to continue the takeoff if an engine had been lost. Felt he was led down the garden path. Advised company but does not feel much will be done. Suggested he contact the FAA hotline and give the information.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: RWY CONDITION REPORT OF CLEAR GIVEN WHEN IN FACT THE LAST HALF OF RWY SLUSH COVERED.
Narrative: WHEN LANDED AT NEWARK IT WAS SNOWING MODERATELY. THE GND WAS WARM AND THE SNOW WAS TURNING TO SLUSH. FOR THE ENSUING DEP I REQUESTED THAT MY GROSS WT BE PREDICATED ON 1/4' SLUSH ON THE RWY. A QUICK CHK OF THE LOAD REVEALED THAT ONLY 1 RWY COULD BE SAFELY USED--RWY 4R. SINCE THE TWR WANTED TO USE 4R FOR LNDGS I WAS GIVEN A DELAY OF 3 HRS FOR DEP ON THIS RWY. I ASKED THAT 4L BE PLOWED SINCE I WOULD BE LEGAL ON THAT RWY W/O THE SLUSH. I WAS TOLD THAT IT WAS CLR. WE TAXIED TO 4L AND SURE ENOUGH IT WAS CLR. ONLY WHEN WE BEGAN TO ROTATE FOR TKOF AND I COULD SEE THE DEP END OF MY RWY DID I REALIZE THAT I HAD BEEN HAD. THE LAST 1/3 OF THE RWY WAS COVERED WITH SLUSH. HAD I LOST AN ENG AFTER V1 I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT I COULD HAVE CONTINUED THE TKOF SUCCESSFULLY. SOME TWR FACS ARE VERY UNCOOPERATIVE WITH THE ARPT USERS. THEY ONLY UNDERSTAND THEIR PROBS AND HAVE NO UNDERSTANDING OF THE HARDSHIPS AND HAZARDS THEIR INTRANSIENTS CAUSE OPERATORS. WITH 1 1/2 HRS ELAPSING BTWN THE TIME I LANDED AND THE TIME I TOOK OFF, I LATER LEARNED THAT NO SNOW PLOWING HAD TAKEN PLACE. CBC REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: ACFT WERE BEING DEICED AS A RESULT OF THE CONTINUOUS SNOW. WAS ANXIOUS TO GET TO THE RWY AND GET AIRBORNE W/O ANY EXTENDED DELAY ACCOUNT THE DEICING. RWY LOOKED GOOD UNTIL HE REACHED THE ROTATION POINT WHEN LAST 1/2 OF RWY SLUSH COVERED AND WOULD HAVE BEEN IMPOSSIBLE TO CONTINUE THE TKOF IF AN ENG HAD BEEN LOST. FELT HE WAS LED DOWN THE GARDEN PATH. ADVISED COMPANY BUT DOES NOT FEEL MUCH WILL BE DONE. SUGGESTED HE CONTACT THE FAA HOTLINE AND GIVE THE INFO.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.