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Attributes | |
ACN | 809942 |
Time | |
Date | 200810 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : zjx.artcc |
State Reference | FL |
Altitude | msl single value : 27000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zjx.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | arrival star : dades1 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 |
ASRS Report | 809942 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 230 |
ASRS Report | 809854 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : became reoriented |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
En route to tpa on the DADES1 arrival; we were given a descent to cross jayja at FL270. At some point; either just before or after we started our descent; we were given another clearance to 'descend to FL260; previous restr applies.' I was pm and left 270 in the altitude window to make sure we leveled at jayja. I made a note on my release to continue descent to 260 after jayja. At the time; the first officer and I discussed how much we hated getting clrncs like we'd just received because of the possibility of distraction or that we might just forget to continue the descent after leveling off. Sure enough; during our descent to FL270; we got an off schedule descent light; followed shortly by a cabin altitude automatic fail light. As we ran the QRH procedures; the first officer leveled at FL270 short of jayja and reset the power. Finishing the QRH procedures; I turned on the seatbelt sign and made an announcement to the back; as it was starting to get a little bumpy. While I was off frequency; the first officer took a call from ZJX informing us we were 10 mi south of jayja and had been instructed to descend to FL260 after jayja. We began the descent at that time and nothing further was said. We got bit by exactly what we had discussed after receiving the clearance. We missed the descent and it was our fault. However; I strongly disagree with ATC's seemingly increased use of clrncs like we received. I would like to see ATC refrain from giving multiple altitude clrncs like we received. It's one thing to descend via an arrival with published altitude restrs where we can reference an approach chart and the legs page on the computer; but to get random clrncs like we got is something else. After receiving our clearance; we even discussed how easy it would be to miss the descent after leveling off and we still screwed it up!
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN AIR CARRIER PILOT COMMENTS THAT ATC ALTITUDE CONSTRAINT CLEARANCES WITH MORE THAN ONE CONSTRAINED FIX IN A SINGLE CLEARANCE CAN CAUSE CREWS TO MISS DOWN TRACK ALTITUDE CONSTRAINTS BECAUSE OF WORK DISTRACTIONS.
Narrative: ENRTE TO TPA ON THE DADES1 ARR; WE WERE GIVEN A DSCNT TO CROSS JAYJA AT FL270. AT SOME POINT; EITHER JUST BEFORE OR AFTER WE STARTED OUR DSCNT; WE WERE GIVEN ANOTHER CLRNC TO 'DSND TO FL260; PREVIOUS RESTR APPLIES.' I WAS PM AND LEFT 270 IN THE ALT WINDOW TO MAKE SURE WE LEVELED AT JAYJA. I MADE A NOTE ON MY RELEASE TO CONTINUE DSCNT TO 260 AFTER JAYJA. AT THE TIME; THE FO AND I DISCUSSED HOW MUCH WE HATED GETTING CLRNCS LIKE WE'D JUST RECEIVED BECAUSE OF THE POSSIBILITY OF DISTR OR THAT WE MIGHT JUST FORGET TO CONTINUE THE DSCNT AFTER LEVELING OFF. SURE ENOUGH; DURING OUR DSCNT TO FL270; WE GOT AN OFF SCHEDULE DSCNT LIGHT; FOLLOWED SHORTLY BY A CABIN ALT AUTO FAIL LIGHT. AS WE RAN THE QRH PROCS; THE FO LEVELED AT FL270 SHORT OF JAYJA AND RESET THE PWR. FINISHING THE QRH PROCS; I TURNED ON THE SEATBELT SIGN AND MADE AN ANNOUNCEMENT TO THE BACK; AS IT WAS STARTING TO GET A LITTLE BUMPY. WHILE I WAS OFF FREQ; THE FO TOOK A CALL FROM ZJX INFORMING US WE WERE 10 MI S OF JAYJA AND HAD BEEN INSTRUCTED TO DSND TO FL260 AFTER JAYJA. WE BEGAN THE DSCNT AT THAT TIME AND NOTHING FURTHER WAS SAID. WE GOT BIT BY EXACTLY WHAT WE HAD DISCUSSED AFTER RECEIVING THE CLRNC. WE MISSED THE DSCNT AND IT WAS OUR FAULT. HOWEVER; I STRONGLY DISAGREE WITH ATC'S SEEMINGLY INCREASED USE OF CLRNCS LIKE WE RECEIVED. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ATC REFRAIN FROM GIVING MULTIPLE ALT CLRNCS LIKE WE RECEIVED. IT'S ONE THING TO DSND VIA AN ARR WITH PUBLISHED ALT RESTRS WHERE WE CAN REF AN APCH CHART AND THE LEGS PAGE ON THE COMPUTER; BUT TO GET RANDOM CLRNCS LIKE WE GOT IS SOMETHING ELSE. AFTER RECEIVING OUR CLRNC; WE EVEN DISCUSSED HOW EASY IT WOULD BE TO MISS THE DSCNT AFTER LEVELING OFF AND WE STILL SCREWED IT UP!
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of May 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.