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Attributes | |
ACN | 810817 |
Time | |
Date | 200811 |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : slc.airport |
State Reference | UT |
Altitude | agl single value : 1000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : s56.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-300 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | climbout : initial |
Route In Use | departure sid : leetz |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 12000 flight time type : 4000 |
ASRS Report | 810817 |
Events | |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : unable |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Chart Or Publication ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Situations | |
Chart | sid : leetz |
Narrative:
Clearance had LEETZ1 departure. Slc departures are very workload intensive as most fixes contain both an altitude and airspeed constraint. Much time is spent in the preflight cockpit setup verifying the fixes; speeds and altitudes in the FMC. One such restr added to the ATC (pre departure clearance) clearance is 'maintain 230 KTS;' which is programmed into the climb page of VNAV. Upon departure; using both LNAV and VNAV as required for the departure (just like dfw; atl; etc) departure control gives us the following command: 'fly heading 330 degrees; delete the speed restrs; climb to FL230 and expect direct chito.' this command/clearance; while seemingly innocuous; presents us with a tremendous workload reprogramming the FMC at a very low level; high workload; critical phase of flight. Yes; level change and heading select can be used if you are expecting this and on-top of the situation; but it still represents a huge workload at a critical phase of flight. The crews' expectation on any of these new SID procedures is to fly the majority of the SID in the planned LNAV/VNAV profile. Taking the flight off of both the LNAV and VNAV profile at 1000 ft and issuing a new clearance is too much workload and too distracting at a critical phase of flight. It also opens up the possibility of new programming errors being made in a hurry during a high workload phase of flight. If ATC never intends for the crews to fly the vertical or lateral profile; then they should not be issuing the SID. Perhaps a radar vector SID instead. This also occurred to us 2 days earlier using the sbound SID. Same thing -- took us off of the vertical and lateral profile at 1000 ft with first contact with departure control. Apparently this happens frequently when aircraft inbound on the varying stars are not in conflict with early clbouts on the departure.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B737-300 CAPTAIN REPORTS DEPARTURE CONTROL IS DELETING ALTITUDE AND SPEED RESTRICTIONS ON RNAV SIDS ASSIGNED BY CLEARANCE DELIVERY. FEELS THIS IMPOSES UNDESIRABLE WORKLOAD ON FLIGHT CREWS TO UNDO THE ALREADY PROGRAMMED RESTRICTIONS.
Narrative: CLRNC HAD LEETZ1 DEP. SLC DEPS ARE VERY WORKLOAD INTENSIVE AS MOST FIXES CONTAIN BOTH AN ALT AND AIRSPD CONSTRAINT. MUCH TIME IS SPENT IN THE PREFLT COCKPIT SETUP VERIFYING THE FIXES; SPDS AND ALTS IN THE FMC. ONE SUCH RESTR ADDED TO THE ATC (PDC) CLRNC IS 'MAINTAIN 230 KTS;' WHICH IS PROGRAMMED INTO THE CLB PAGE OF VNAV. UPON DEP; USING BOTH LNAV AND VNAV AS REQUIRED FOR THE DEP (JUST LIKE DFW; ATL; ETC) DEP CTL GIVES US THE FOLLOWING COMMAND: 'FLY HDG 330 DEGS; DELETE THE SPD RESTRS; CLB TO FL230 AND EXPECT DIRECT CHITO.' THIS COMMAND/CLRNC; WHILE SEEMINGLY INNOCUOUS; PRESENTS US WITH A TREMENDOUS WORKLOAD REPROGRAMMING THE FMC AT A VERY LOW LEVEL; HIGH WORKLOAD; CRITICAL PHASE OF FLT. YES; LEVEL CHANGE AND HDG SELECT CAN BE USED IF YOU ARE EXPECTING THIS AND ON-TOP OF THE SIT; BUT IT STILL REPRESENTS A HUGE WORKLOAD AT A CRITICAL PHASE OF FLT. THE CREWS' EXPECTATION ON ANY OF THESE NEW SID PROCS IS TO FLY THE MAJORITY OF THE SID IN THE PLANNED LNAV/VNAV PROFILE. TAKING THE FLT OFF OF BOTH THE LNAV AND VNAV PROFILE AT 1000 FT AND ISSUING A NEW CLRNC IS TOO MUCH WORKLOAD AND TOO DISTRACTING AT A CRITICAL PHASE OF FLT. IT ALSO OPENS UP THE POSSIBILITY OF NEW PROGRAMMING ERRORS BEING MADE IN A HURRY DURING A HIGH WORKLOAD PHASE OF FLT. IF ATC NEVER INTENDS FOR THE CREWS TO FLY THE VERT OR LATERAL PROFILE; THEN THEY SHOULD NOT BE ISSUING THE SID. PERHAPS A RADAR VECTOR SID INSTEAD. THIS ALSO OCCURRED TO US 2 DAYS EARLIER USING THE SBOUND SID. SAME THING -- TOOK US OFF OF THE VERT AND LATERAL PROFILE AT 1000 FT WITH FIRST CONTACT WITH DEP CTL. APPARENTLY THIS HAPPENS FREQUENTLY WHEN ACFT INBOUND ON THE VARYING STARS ARE NOT IN CONFLICT WITH EARLY CLBOUTS ON THE DEP.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of May 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.