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Attributes | |
ACN | 811003 |
Time | |
Date | 200810 |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : zzz.airport |
State Reference | US |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : zzz.tracon tracon : zzz.tracon |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Gulfstream IV |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : zzz.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | DC-9 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : atp pilot : cfi pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 20 flight time total : 5500 flight time type : 750 |
ASRS Report | 811003 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : departure controller : approach |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : far non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
We were cleared direct to the uox. The captain decided he wanted to fly to the outer fix on the localizer which was edent which is 9.2 mi from the airport. I had requested with ATC for direct edent but was denied. I told the captain that we should fly to the airport and not to edent. He did not comply. We were then given a turn from our present course to a 090 degree heading to allow an air carrier DC9 to continue his climb. Separation was not achieved as the controller had assumed because we were deviating from our assigned path. Once clear of the traffic ATC cleared us direct edent. I have found that ATC allows cpr aircraft to deviate from assigned clrncs that they never allowed when I flew for an airline. This reinforcement of non-action to the captain that I was flying with has allowed him to break rules over the many yrs he has flown. Better training at the cpr level from flight safety would help. Training in the cpr field is structured for a specific aircraft not the system. I showed poor judgement on not forcing the issue and persuading the captain to fly the assigned route. The captain is our chief pilot so as the employee it is difficult to tell him what to do. CRM training and human factors training for our department would be helpful.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A GIV PILOT DISREGARDED TRACON'S VECTOR INSTRUCTIONS BECAUSE HE WANTED TO FLY A LOC APPROACH THUS CAUSING A LOSS OF SEPARATION WITH A DEPARTING DC-9.
Narrative: WE WERE CLRED DIRECT TO THE UOX. THE CAPT DECIDED HE WANTED TO FLY TO THE OUTER FIX ON THE LOC WHICH WAS EDENT WHICH IS 9.2 MI FROM THE ARPT. I HAD REQUESTED WITH ATC FOR DIRECT EDENT BUT WAS DENIED. I TOLD THE CAPT THAT WE SHOULD FLY TO THE ARPT AND NOT TO EDENT. HE DID NOT COMPLY. WE WERE THEN GIVEN A TURN FROM OUR PRESENT COURSE TO A 090 DEG HDG TO ALLOW AN ACR DC9 TO CONTINUE HIS CLB. SEPARATION WAS NOT ACHIEVED AS THE CTLR HAD ASSUMED BECAUSE WE WERE DEVIATING FROM OUR ASSIGNED PATH. ONCE CLR OF THE TFC ATC CLRED US DIRECT EDENT. I HAVE FOUND THAT ATC ALLOWS CPR ACFT TO DEVIATE FROM ASSIGNED CLRNCS THAT THEY NEVER ALLOWED WHEN I FLEW FOR AN AIRLINE. THIS REINFORCEMENT OF NON-ACTION TO THE CAPT THAT I WAS FLYING WITH HAS ALLOWED HIM TO BREAK RULES OVER THE MANY YRS HE HAS FLOWN. BETTER TRAINING AT THE CPR LEVEL FROM FLT SAFETY WOULD HELP. TRAINING IN THE CPR FIELD IS STRUCTURED FOR A SPECIFIC ACFT NOT THE SYS. I SHOWED POOR JUDGEMENT ON NOT FORCING THE ISSUE AND PERSUADING THE CAPT TO FLY THE ASSIGNED RTE. THE CAPT IS OUR CHIEF PLT SO AS THE EMPLOYEE IT IS DIFFICULT TO TELL HIM WHAT TO DO. CRM TRAINING AND HUMAN FACTORS TRAINING FOR OUR DEPT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of May 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.