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Attributes | |
ACN | 812549 |
Time | |
Date | 200811 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : day.airport |
State Reference | OH |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Transport Low Wing 2 Turbojet Eng |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | ground : taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 225 flight time total : 4700 flight time type : 3500 |
ASRS Report | 812549 |
Events | |
Anomaly | excursion : taxiway non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted none taken : detected after the fact |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
Captain chose to ignore taxi lines and taxied through multiple deice pads. Day's airport page contains a note to avoid all deice pads; even when vacant. As soon as we exited the runway after landing; captain entered a deice pad as a shortcut while I was doing my after landing flow. I 'cleared right;' verifying no traffic on my side. Then I commenced my flow without paying special attention to where the captain was taxiing. I had never flown with this captain; and I did not realize that he would choose to ignore such an elementary regulation (obeying taxi lines). On our way back out for departure; he did the same thing. He cut across deice pads as a shortcut to our runway. I told him I did not think we were supposed to be taxiing through the deice pads. He asked me why I thought that! I told him there was a note (the one and only note) on the airport page against such taxi. He laughed and said; 'whoops.' this particular captain has been with our company for only 1.5 yrs. He appeared severely inexperienced. This is the only report I felt necessary to file; but it does not mean it was my only problem with this captain. I closely monitored his actions; and I had to voice concern over many of his regulation-related decisions. Fortunately; he did take my concerns into account and change his courses of action most of the time. I have been with this regional airline for over 4 yrs. I am flying with extremely junior capts who appear to lack the judgement required of their position. While some of these pilots are knowledgeable; the majority of them do not fully understand the airplane or respect the regulations. Flying first officer to these less-experienced capts puts me in a very difficult position. Many of them are overly self-confident and aggressive with the airplane. I was fortunately that this captain at least heard me out and re-evaluated his actions (albeit too late when taxiing through the deice pad). Many capts do not put any value in first officer's concerns.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AIR CARRIER FIRST OFFICER LAMENTS THE JUNIORITY AND LACK OF ADHERENCE TO REGULATIONS OF SOME CAPTAINS THAT SHE FLIES WITH.
Narrative: CAPT CHOSE TO IGNORE TAXI LINES AND TAXIED THROUGH MULTIPLE DEICE PADS. DAY'S ARPT PAGE CONTAINS A NOTE TO AVOID ALL DEICE PADS; EVEN WHEN VACANT. AS SOON AS WE EXITED THE RWY AFTER LNDG; CAPT ENTERED A DEICE PAD AS A SHORTCUT WHILE I WAS DOING MY AFTER LNDG FLOW. I 'CLRED RIGHT;' VERIFYING NO TFC ON MY SIDE. THEN I COMMENCED MY FLOW WITHOUT PAYING SPECIAL ATTN TO WHERE THE CAPT WAS TAXIING. I HAD NEVER FLOWN WITH THIS CAPT; AND I DID NOT REALIZE THAT HE WOULD CHOOSE TO IGNORE SUCH AN ELEMENTARY REG (OBEYING TAXI LINES). ON OUR WAY BACK OUT FOR DEP; HE DID THE SAME THING. HE CUT ACROSS DEICE PADS AS A SHORTCUT TO OUR RWY. I TOLD HIM I DID NOT THINK WE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE TAXIING THROUGH THE DEICE PADS. HE ASKED ME WHY I THOUGHT THAT! I TOLD HIM THERE WAS A NOTE (THE ONE AND ONLY NOTE) ON THE ARPT PAGE AGAINST SUCH TAXI. HE LAUGHED AND SAID; 'WHOOPS.' THIS PARTICULAR CAPT HAS BEEN WITH OUR COMPANY FOR ONLY 1.5 YRS. HE APPEARED SEVERELY INEXPERIENCED. THIS IS THE ONLY RPT I FELT NECESSARY TO FILE; BUT IT DOES NOT MEAN IT WAS MY ONLY PROB WITH THIS CAPT. I CLOSELY MONITORED HIS ACTIONS; AND I HAD TO VOICE CONCERN OVER MANY OF HIS REG-RELATED DECISIONS. FORTUNATELY; HE DID TAKE MY CONCERNS INTO ACCOUNT AND CHANGE HIS COURSES OF ACTION MOST OF THE TIME. I HAVE BEEN WITH THIS REGIONAL AIRLINE FOR OVER 4 YRS. I AM FLYING WITH EXTREMELY JUNIOR CAPTS WHO APPEAR TO LACK THE JUDGEMENT REQUIRED OF THEIR POSITION. WHILE SOME OF THESE PLTS ARE KNOWLEDGEABLE; THE MAJORITY OF THEM DO NOT FULLY UNDERSTAND THE AIRPLANE OR RESPECT THE REGS. FLYING FO TO THESE LESS-EXPERIENCED CAPTS PUTS ME IN A VERY DIFFICULT POSITION. MANY OF THEM ARE OVERLY SELF-CONFIDENT AND AGGRESSIVE WITH THE AIRPLANE. I WAS FORTUNATELY THAT THIS CAPT AT LEAST HEARD ME OUT AND RE-EVALUATED HIS ACTIONS (ALBEIT TOO LATE WHEN TAXIING THROUGH THE DEICE PAD). MANY CAPTS DO NOT PUT ANY VALUE IN FO'S CONCERNS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of May 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.