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Attributes | |
ACN | 813949 |
Time | |
Date | 200811 |
Local Time Of Day | 0001 To 0600 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : rno.airport |
State Reference | NV |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : slc.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Small Aircraft Low Wing 1 Eng Fixed Gear |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | ground : preflight |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 40 |
ASRS Report | 813949 |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance FAA |
Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Narrative:
The pre departure clearance we received from rno to ZZZ included a predep routing that did not include the departure but did include a note to fly the irno localizer south course after the filed flight plan. Neither of us had experienced a predep routing that started after the departure and then in the notes section instructed us to basically fly the filed departure for the other runway. The notes section departure instructions are exactly the same as the RENO4 for aircraft departing runway 16L. Aircraft departing runway 16R on the RENO4 are instructed to fly heading 156 degrees clockwise to 171 degree heading as assigned by ATC. We departed from runway 16R and tracked the localizer south course as assigned. We asked ground control for clarification as he had the strip for our flight and received a full route clearance to fly the RENO4 for vectors to fmg then as filed which is different than the notes section of the pre departure clearance. If normal procedures for rno are to fly the irno south course for runway 16R departures; then change the commercial chart departure plate to mirror the normal procedures. I also question the need for this predep routing as the entire flight is within the sector boundary. The predep routing for this flight should be eliminated and only the notes section instructions should be added if ATC desires the flight to track the localizer south course until the departure is changed.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN AIR CARRIER PILOT DESCRIBES BEING CONFUSED BY A PDC TEXTUAL CLEARANCE REVISION FROM RNO RUNWAY 16R USING THE RENO FOUR DEPARTURE RUNWAY 16L DEPARTURE PROCEDURE.
Narrative: THE PDC WE RECEIVED FROM RNO TO ZZZ INCLUDED A PREDEP ROUTING THAT DID NOT INCLUDE THE DEP BUT DID INCLUDE A NOTE TO FLY THE IRNO LOC S COURSE AFTER THE FILED FLT PLAN. NEITHER OF US HAD EXPERIENCED A PREDEP ROUTING THAT STARTED AFTER THE DEP AND THEN IN THE NOTES SECTION INSTRUCTED US TO BASICALLY FLY THE FILED DEP FOR THE OTHER RWY. THE NOTES SECTION DEP INSTRUCTIONS ARE EXACTLY THE SAME AS THE RENO4 FOR ACFT DEPARTING RWY 16L. ACFT DEPARTING RWY 16R ON THE RENO4 ARE INSTRUCTED TO FLY HDG 156 DEGS CLOCKWISE TO 171 DEG HDG AS ASSIGNED BY ATC. WE DEPARTED FROM RWY 16R AND TRACKED THE LOC S COURSE AS ASSIGNED. WE ASKED GND CTL FOR CLARIFICATION AS HE HAD THE STRIP FOR OUR FLT AND RECEIVED A FULL RTE CLRNC TO FLY THE RENO4 FOR VECTORS TO FMG THEN AS FILED WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN THE NOTES SECTION OF THE PDC. IF NORMAL PROCS FOR RNO ARE TO FLY THE IRNO S COURSE FOR RWY 16R DEPS; THEN CHANGE THE COMMERCIAL CHART DEP PLATE TO MIRROR THE NORMAL PROCS. I ALSO QUESTION THE NEED FOR THIS PREDEP ROUTING AS THE ENTIRE FLT IS WITHIN THE SECTOR BOUNDARY. THE PREDEP ROUTING FOR THIS FLT SHOULD BE ELIMINATED AND ONLY THE NOTES SECTION INSTRUCTIONS SHOULD BE ADDED IF ATC DESIRES THE FLT TO TRACK THE LOC S COURSE UNTIL THE DEP IS CHANGED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of May 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.