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Attributes | |
ACN | 814608 |
Time | |
Date | 200811 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : hyk.vortac |
State Reference | KY |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 2500 msl bound upper : 2600 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | general aviation : instructional |
Make Model Name | PA-28 Cherokee/Archer II/Dakota/Pillan/Warrior |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | other vortac |
Flight Phase | cruise : holding |
Flight Plan | None |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | instruction : instructor |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 20000 flight time type : 100 |
ASRS Report | 814608 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | instruction : trainee |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : insufficient time |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 100 vertical : 200 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
Holding at an intersection with a student instrument pilot. Flying on inbound leg in published holding pattern; in VFR conditions; not under ATC control. Student with foggles caught other aircraft close in and lower pass under our aircraft. Cfii did not see the other aircraft. Other pilot called out on unicom to our number; '...ZZZ;' and idented self as '...YYY;' (I believe) and advised we had come awful close or something similar. I responded; due to the inflection and connotation of the radio contact on 122.8 that; 'these things happen flying aircraft or airplanes.' no more said or done.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A PIPER ARCHER ON A TRAINING FLIGHT EXPERIENCED AN NMAC WITH ANOTHER AIRCRAFT.
Narrative: HOLDING AT AN INTXN WITH A STUDENT INST PLT. FLYING ON INBOUND LEG IN PUBLISHED HOLDING PATTERN; IN VFR CONDITIONS; NOT UNDER ATC CTL. STUDENT WITH FOGGLES CAUGHT OTHER ACFT CLOSE IN AND LOWER PASS UNDER OUR ACFT. CFII DID NOT SEE THE OTHER ACFT. OTHER PLT CALLED OUT ON UNICOM TO OUR NUMBER; '...ZZZ;' AND IDENTED SELF AS '...YYY;' (I BELIEVE) AND ADVISED WE HAD COME AWFUL CLOSE OR SOMETHING SIMILAR. I RESPONDED; DUE TO THE INFLECTION AND CONNOTATION OF THE RADIO CONTACT ON 122.8 THAT; 'THESE THINGS HAPPEN FLYING ACFT OR AIRPLANES.' NO MORE SAID OR DONE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of May 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.