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B747-400 captain expresses displeasure at the routine assignment of shorter runways at ord for landings -- particularly in inclement weather -- when longer runways are in use but are inconvenient for ATC to assign.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 814881 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200812 |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : ord.airport |
| State Reference | IL |
| Altitude | msl single value : 7000 |
| Environment | |
| Weather Elements | other |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : ord.tracon |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B747-400 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 220 flight time total : 15000 flight time type : 1200 |
| ASRS Report | 814881 |
| Events | |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | other |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Airport Aircraft ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Situations | |
| ATC Facility | procedure or policy : c90.tracon |
Narrative:
This was my first trip since the new runway 27R opened at ord. Coming back from asia; we usually fly the janesville 4 arrival; and approach always said 'expect runway 22R' if that's one of the landing runways. I don't accept that; since runway 28 is also in use in that confign and I'm flying a B747-400. We can safely land on runway 22R; as long as everything works. Sometimes I get a little attitude from controllers when I say 'air carrier XXX needs runway 28.' on a snowy day; we contacted approach and were told; 'expect runway 27R.' so now we've got 2 short runways they try to get you to take; while at the same time there are dozens of rj's landing on runway 28. We didn't get any lip about it; and I have no problem telling them we need runway 28; but ord is always expecting us to just accept the shorter runways. I'm not about to do that; but they need to be aware that most of the 777 and -400 capts aren't going to take a shorter runway just to make it easier for them to push all the small jets coming in from the south and east onto the long runway.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B747-400 CAPTAIN EXPRESSES DISPLEASURE AT THE ROUTINE ASSIGNMENT OF SHORTER RUNWAYS AT ORD FOR LANDINGS -- PARTICULARLY IN INCLEMENT WEATHER -- WHEN LONGER RUNWAYS ARE IN USE BUT ARE INCONVENIENT FOR ATC TO ASSIGN.
Narrative: THIS WAS MY FIRST TRIP SINCE THE NEW RWY 27R OPENED AT ORD. COMING BACK FROM ASIA; WE USUALLY FLY THE JANESVILLE 4 ARR; AND APCH ALWAYS SAID 'EXPECT RWY 22R' IF THAT'S ONE OF THE LNDG RWYS. I DON'T ACCEPT THAT; SINCE RWY 28 IS ALSO IN USE IN THAT CONFIGN AND I'M FLYING A B747-400. WE CAN SAFELY LAND ON RWY 22R; AS LONG AS EVERYTHING WORKS. SOMETIMES I GET A LITTLE ATTITUDE FROM CTLRS WHEN I SAY 'ACR XXX NEEDS RWY 28.' ON A SNOWY DAY; WE CONTACTED APCH AND WERE TOLD; 'EXPECT RWY 27R.' SO NOW WE'VE GOT 2 SHORT RWYS THEY TRY TO GET YOU TO TAKE; WHILE AT THE SAME TIME THERE ARE DOZENS OF RJ'S LNDG ON RWY 28. WE DIDN'T GET ANY LIP ABOUT IT; AND I HAVE NO PROB TELLING THEM WE NEED RWY 28; BUT ORD IS ALWAYS EXPECTING US TO JUST ACCEPT THE SHORTER RWYS. I'M NOT ABOUT TO DO THAT; BUT THEY NEED TO BE AWARE THAT MOST OF THE 777 AND -400 CAPTS AREN'T GOING TO TAKE A SHORTER RWY JUST TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR THEM TO PUSH ALL THE SMALL JETS COMING IN FROM THE S AND E ONTO THE LONG RWY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of May 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.