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Attributes | |
ACN | 814958 |
Time | |
Date | 200812 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : ont.airport |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl single value : 8500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : sct.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-500 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff |
Route In Use | departure : on vectors departure sid : prado |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 202 |
ASRS Report | 814958 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : tcas other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
On climbout of ont outbound on the pdz 130 degree radial on the prado 6 departure; first officer (pilot not flying) checked in with socal climbing out cleared to 7;000 ft with restriction of 4;000 ft. Socal on 134.00 cleared us to climb and maintain 13;000 ft. We read that back. We were in a light B737-500 series climbing approximately 4;000 FPM. Passing through 7;800 ft; socal told us to climb and maintain 7;500 ft. First officer read back the clearance. I told him we are already through that altitude; tell ATC we can descend back. ATC then cleared us to 8;500 ft before the first officer could query her on the 7;500 ft altitude. We both verified the altitude in the MCP and I leveled the aircraft off at 8;500 ft. At that time socal told another carrier that he was to look for a company aircraft at 7;500 ft and he should be level at 8;500 ft. I told the first officer to query ATC as to our altitude. He told socal to verify our altitude because we were level at 8;500 ft and that is what we read back. She told us to descend and maintain 7;500 ft. I disconnected the autopilot and descended back to 7;500 ft. Upon disconnect; we received a TA on the TCAS. Upon reaching 7;500 ft; the other carrier crossed over at 8;500 ft and no RA was ever received. Socal then recleared us up to 12;000 ft; and then her next radio transmission was up to 13;000 ft. She then handed us off to the next frequency. First officer could have read back instantly that we are already through 7;500 ft upon the clearance and told her we will need to descend back to obtain that altitude. I really think that socal never listened to any readback of ours. She was very busy with several aircraft. 4 different altitudes were given to us in such a brief period of time.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B737 departure from ONT described multiple altitude assignments; a TCAS TA; all allegedly because the ATC controller erred in separation efforts.
Narrative: On climbout of ONT outbound on the PDZ 130 degree radial on the PRADO 6 Departure; First Officer (Pilot Not Flying) checked in with SOCAL climbing out cleared to 7;000 FT with restriction of 4;000 FT. SOCAL on 134.00 cleared us to climb and maintain 13;000 FT. We read that back. We were in a light B737-500 series climbing approximately 4;000 FPM. Passing through 7;800 FT; SOCAL told us to climb and maintain 7;500 FT. First Officer read back the clearance. I told him we are already through that altitude; tell ATC we can descend back. ATC then cleared us to 8;500 FT before the First Officer could query her on the 7;500 FT altitude. We both verified the altitude in the MCP and I leveled the aircraft off at 8;500 FT. At that time SOCAL told another carrier that he was to look for a Company aircraft at 7;500 FT and he should be level at 8;500 FT. I told the First Officer to query ATC as to our altitude. He told SOCAL to verify our altitude because we were level at 8;500 FT and that is what we read back. She told us to descend and maintain 7;500 FT. I disconnected the autopilot and descended back to 7;500 FT. Upon disconnect; we received a TA on the TCAS. Upon reaching 7;500 FT; the other carrier crossed over at 8;500 FT and no RA was ever received. SOCAL then recleared us up to 12;000 FT; and then her next radio transmission was up to 13;000 FT. She then handed us off to the next frequency. First Officer could have read back instantly that we are already through 7;500 FT upon the clearance and told her we will need to descend back to obtain that altitude. I really think that SOCAL never listened to any readback of ours. She was very busy with several aircraft. 4 different altitudes were given to us in such a brief period of time.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of May 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.