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Attributes | |
ACN | 816400 |
Time | |
Date | 200812 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : den.airport |
State Reference | CO |
Altitude | msl single value : 9500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Weather Elements | Ice Snow |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zdv.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Small Aircraft High Wing 1 Eng Fixed Gear |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : cfi pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 50 flight time total : 2500 flight time type : 500 |
ASRS Report | 816400 |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
Departing dro in IMC. Clearance from denver was 'direct abq VOR at 13;000 ft MSL.' I departed runway 20 and followed the odp toward marke intersection as published. During climb; I contacted ZDV 118.57 and was 'radar contact' around 8;000 ft MSL. I asked the controller what routing they would like once I reached marke at 9;500 ft MSL. They asked if I could maintain my own terrain and obstruction clearance through 12;000 ft MSL. I informed them that the MVA was 12;000 ft MSL. The controller did not know what routing to give me as he consulted another controller. I noticed on the chart that V361 from marke to rsk had an MEA of 9;500 ft MSL and requested a clearance from marke to rsk via V361 with direct abq VOR once reaching 12;000 ft MSL. This odp was recently modified and the denver controller admitted that there was some confusion among the controllers as to what to do with it. Some clarification needs to take place since the 9;500 ft MSL instructions are below the MVA for the area. This can be unsettling to any pilot due to the rising terrain west of the dro airport.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: IFR general aviation aircraft departure from DRO; utilizing ODP procedures; ask ATC routing question/s; resulting in confusion regarding appropriate altitude assignments.
Narrative: Departing DRO in IMC. Clearance from Denver was 'Direct ABQ VOR at 13;000 FT MSL.' I departed Runway 20 and followed the ODP toward MARKE Intersection as published. During climb; I contacted ZDV 118.57 and was 'radar contact' around 8;000 FT MSL. I asked the Controller what routing they would like once I reached MARKE at 9;500 FT MSL. They asked if I could maintain my own terrain and obstruction clearance through 12;000 FT MSL. I informed them that the MVA was 12;000 FT MSL. The Controller did not know what routing to give me as he consulted another Controller. I noticed on the chart that V361 from MARKE to RSK had an MEA of 9;500 FT MSL and requested a clearance from MARKE to RSK via V361 with direct ABQ VOR once reaching 12;000 FT MSL. This ODP was recently modified and the Denver Controller admitted that there was some confusion among the controllers as to what to do with it. Some clarification needs to take place since the 9;500 FT MSL instructions are below the MVA for the area. This can be unsettling to any Pilot due to the rising terrain west of the DRO Airport.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of May 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.