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Attributes | |
ACN | 822873 |
Time | |
Date | 200902 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201-1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | RKSI.Airport |
State Reference | FO |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | B777-200 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Initial Climb |
Route In Use | SID SEL |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Function | Captain Pilot Not Flying |
Experience | Flight Crew Last 90 Days 240 Flight Crew Total 18171 Flight Crew Type 2860 |
Person 2 | |
Function | First Officer Pilot Flying |
Events | |
Anomaly | Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy Deviation - Track / Heading All Types |
Narrative:
Refer to sel 1C icn note #2.we briefed note #2 that says not to lead turns due to the possibility of separation errors. After takeoff the first officer delays the turn at supan until 1 mile prior then turns. Even at flaps 1 and the 230 kt restriction we flew on or just past the 270 degree radial off yju. The idea is to stay inside the radial and miss the seoul tma. I have made a note on the departure to always follow LNAV and lead all turns to prevent getting this close to the north again. Do not follow note #2 and delay turns. You will either just touch or cross over the 270 degree radial.supplemental info from acn 822879: on this particular SID there is a note not to go north of the yju 270 radial. Also on this SID are 3 notes at the top of page. Note #2 states that pilots are to use caution not to turn early due to traffic separation(fly-by points on SID). Also the SID has you maintain 230 kts max until turns away from north are complete. We briefed maintaining flaps 1 and 230 kts due to the 230 was below our clean maneuvering speed and also not leading the turns to comply with note #2. On climb out we; maintained 230 kts and flaps 1. Approaching the 2nd fly-by point; the LNAV led the turn quite a bit; but I did not follow LNAV to comply with SID instructions of not turning early. We turned about 3/4 to 1/2 mile before turn. This put us in a position very close the yju 270 radial. We didn't cross the radial; but definitely flew right to the edge of it. Maybe should have maintained 180 kts-190 kts instead of the 230 kts to keep a tighter turn radius or just followed the LNAV and led the turns. In any event the note #2 needs more clarification.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B777 flight crew reports concern over notes on the SEL 1C RNAV departure from RKSI that requires remaining north of YJU R-270. While attempting to comply with note #2; crew crosses YJU R-270.
Narrative: Refer to SEL 1C ICN note #2.We briefed note #2 that says not to lead turns due to the possibility of separation errors. After takeoff the First Officer delays the turn at SUPAN until 1 mile prior then turns. Even at flaps 1 and the 230 kt restriction we flew on or just past the 270 degree radial off YJU. The idea is to stay inside the radial and miss the SEOUL TMA. I have made a note on the departure to always follow LNAV and lead all turns to prevent getting this close to the north again. Do not follow note #2 and delay turns. You will either just touch or cross over the 270 degree radial.Supplemental info from ACN 822879: On this particular SID there is a note not to go north of the YJU 270 radial. Also on this SID are 3 notes at the top of page. Note #2 states that pilots are to use caution not to turn early due to traffic separation(fly-by points on SID). Also the SID has you maintain 230 kts max until turns away from north are complete. We briefed maintaining flaps 1 and 230 kts due to the 230 was below our clean maneuvering speed and also not leading the turns to comply with note #2. On climb out we; maintained 230 kts and flaps 1. Approaching the 2nd fly-by point; the LNAV led the turn quite a bit; but I did not follow LNAV to comply with SID instructions of not turning early. We turned about 3/4 to 1/2 mile before turn. This put us in a position very close the YJU 270 radial. We didn't cross the radial; but definitely flew right to the edge of it. Maybe should have maintained 180 kts-190 kts instead of the 230 kts to keep a tighter turn radius or just followed the LNAV and led the turns. In any event the note #2 needs more clarification.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of April 2012 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.