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Attributes | |
ACN | 82457 |
Time | |
Date | 198802 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lax |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 1100 msl bound upper : 1200 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Marginal |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : lax tower : lax |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Widebody, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : visual |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 60 flight time total : 28000 |
ASRS Report | 82457 |
Person 2 | |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
At 8000 330 degree heading approach control asked us three times if we could accept a visibility (first 2 answers apparently interrupted by other aircraft transmissions). I answered 'not yet, not from here.' after discussion with the first officer that I could see the race track off the end of the runway, he agreed to a visibility approach. 25L ILS was tuned for backup. He started descending and approach asked 'if we could see the aircraft on base for 25R.' responding 'yes we do' and were 'to change to tower at 7 mi.' the aircraft reported appeared closer than large transport was to the F/0 and he had a good intercept angle for the localizer/on glide slope. A set of stripes came into view off to the left as I changed to tower. I made 2 calls and no response, I looked up the frequency from the commercial chart and he checked it, I glanced at the HSI and said 'you are below the glide slopes; also go right.' I called the tower again with the response 'who is calling, you are garbled.' I looked up and realized that we were descending into the wrong airport, at the same time as the first officer. We then headed right toward the lax approach lights at about 1100-1200' MSL for the last couple of mi. Lax tower then said 'it appears you are on final for hawthorne.' I replied 'it is off our left now.' continuing on for uneventful landing. My confidence in the first officer's ability for a visibility backed up by the ILS was more than he could handle with my trying to sort out the radios. No more marginal visibility. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following. Discussed with flight manager and manager did not feel a violation took place. Has received no inquiry from FAA. Could not explain why the first officer did not xchk his flight instruments. Did feel visibility was less than reported at point of incident. No conflict with aircraft in the hhr area. Tower did comment reference to the apparent wrong airport approach.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: LINED UP WITH THE WRONG ARPT DURING VISUAL APCH TO LAX.
Narrative: AT 8000 330 DEG HDG APCH CTL ASKED US THREE TIMES IF WE COULD ACCEPT A VIS (FIRST 2 ANSWERS APPARENTLY INTERRUPTED BY OTHER ACFT TRANSMISSIONS). I ANSWERED 'NOT YET, NOT FROM HERE.' AFTER DISCUSSION WITH THE F/O THAT I COULD SEE THE RACE TRACK OFF THE END OF THE RWY, HE AGREED TO A VIS APCH. 25L ILS WAS TUNED FOR BACKUP. HE STARTED DSNDING AND APCH ASKED 'IF WE COULD SEE THE ACFT ON BASE FOR 25R.' RESPONDING 'YES WE DO' AND WERE 'TO CHANGE TO TWR AT 7 MI.' THE ACFT RPTED APPEARED CLOSER THAN LGT WAS TO THE F/0 AND HE HAD A GOOD INTERCEPT ANGLE FOR THE LOC/ON GLIDE SLOPE. A SET OF STRIPES CAME INTO VIEW OFF TO THE L AS I CHANGED TO TWR. I MADE 2 CALLS AND NO RESPONSE, I LOOKED UP THE FREQ FROM THE COMMERCIAL CHART AND HE CHKED IT, I GLANCED AT THE HSI AND SAID 'YOU ARE BELOW THE GLIDE SLOPES; ALSO GO R.' I CALLED THE TWR AGAIN WITH THE RESPONSE 'WHO IS CALLING, YOU ARE GARBLED.' I LOOKED UP AND REALIZED THAT WE WERE DSNDING INTO THE WRONG ARPT, AT THE SAME TIME AS THE F/O. WE THEN HEADED R TOWARD THE LAX APCH LIGHTS AT ABOUT 1100-1200' MSL FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF MI. LAX TWR THEN SAID 'IT APPEARS YOU ARE ON FINAL FOR HAWTHORNE.' I REPLIED 'IT IS OFF OUR LEFT NOW.' CONTINUING ON FOR UNEVENTFUL LNDG. MY CONFIDENCE IN THE F/O'S ABILITY FOR A VIS BACKED UP BY THE ILS WAS MORE THAN HE COULD HANDLE WITH MY TRYING TO SORT OUT THE RADIOS. NO MORE MARGINAL VIS. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING. DISCUSSED WITH FLT MGR AND MGR DID NOT FEEL A VIOLATION TOOK PLACE. HAS RECEIVED NO INQUIRY FROM FAA. COULD NOT EXPLAIN WHY THE FO DID NOT XCHK HIS FLIGHT INSTRUMENTS. DID FEEL VISIBILITY WAS LESS THAN REPORTED AT POINT OF INCIDENT. NO CONFLICT WITH ACFT IN THE HHR AREA. TWR DID COMMENT REFERENCE TO THE APPARENT WRONG ARPT APCH.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.