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Attributes | |
ACN | 82792 |
Time | |
Date | 198802 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : aqn |
State Reference | TX |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 11000 msl bound upper : 15000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : dfw |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | cruise other descent other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 7000 |
ASRS Report | 82792 |
Person 2 | |
Function | controller : approach |
Qualification | controller : radar |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : unable |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
Planned descent for normal crossing restriction of 11000' and 250 KTS at flato. Issued 250 KTS now during descent. 250 KTS now made crossing restriction almost impossible. Busy frequency to get in a word that we wouldn't make the altitude. Finally got in a word and ATC on 125.8, responded 'roger.' did 'roger' mean it was ok or what? This is a very typical scenario and of course the frequency is so congested with no time for even replies from the aircraft that the controller is working.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ATC GAVE CLRNC THAT MADE A PREVIOUS ALT CROSSING RESTRICTION IMPOSSIBLE TO MAKE.
Narrative: PLANNED DSCNT FOR NORMAL XING RESTRICTION OF 11000' AND 250 KTS AT FLATO. ISSUED 250 KTS NOW DURING DSCNT. 250 KTS NOW MADE XING RESTRICTION ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE. BUSY FREQ TO GET IN A WORD THAT WE WOULDN'T MAKE THE ALT. FINALLY GOT IN A WORD AND ATC ON 125.8, RESPONDED 'ROGER.' DID 'ROGER' MEAN IT WAS OK OR WHAT? THIS IS A VERY TYPICAL SCENARIO AND OF COURSE THE FREQ IS SO CONGESTED WITH NO TIME FOR EVEN REPLIES FROM THE ACFT THAT THE CTLR IS WORKING.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.