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Attributes | |
ACN | 834248 |
Time | |
Date | 200905 |
Local Time Of Day | 0601-1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | GSO.Airport |
State Reference | NC |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | Embraer Jet Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Descent |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Function | Captain Pilot Not Flying |
Events | |
Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy Deviation - Procedural FAR |
Narrative:
I was the pilot not flying on our flight to gso. The ATIS was stating the GPS 5R approach was in use. Although the pilot flying and myself had both received training on GPS approaches our chart manuals do not currently contain the GPS 5R approach plate. The ATIS did not mention that the 5R ILS was out of service nor was there a NOTAM in our paperwork indicating such. Upon checking in with greensboro approach we advised them we were unable to conduct the GPS 5R and requested the ILS 5R. We were told that the ILS 5R had been NOTAM'ed out all day and to expect the VOR 5R approach. We accepted the instructions and began to look for the VOR approach plate only to find that our chart manuals do not contain a VOR approach plate for gso. We advised approach that we could not accept the VOR approach either and were told to standby. Due to traffic in the area it momentarily appeared that we might have to divert. Fortunately the controller was eventually able to work us onto the ILS 14 approach. My greater concern here is that we were missing a NOTAM for the ILS 5R. More disconcerting than that was knowing that we might be missing other notams that could adversely affect the flight. This all also happened during the high workload environment of the descent and approach. Had we had the NOTAM at least we would have been given the tools to better plan our options. This seems to be a common problem. I don't know exactly what the fix should be. My understanding is that we receive our notams from a vendor. Maybe a thorough audit of that vendor would be appropriate
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ATIS for GSO informed ERJ flight crew that GPS 5R is in use. This approach is not included in their route manuals; nor is the VOR 5R. Approach informed the flight crew ILS 5R is out of service and NOTAM'ed although not mentioned in the ATIS. Eventually ILS 14 is made available preventing a diversion.
Narrative: I was the pilot not flying on our flight to GSO. The ATIS was stating the GPS 5R approach was in use. Although the pilot flying and myself had both received training on GPS approaches our chart manuals do not currently contain the GPS 5R approach plate. The ATIS did not mention that the 5R ILS was out of service nor was there a NOTAM in our paperwork indicating such. Upon checking in with Greensboro approach we advised them we were unable to conduct the GPS 5R and requested the ILS 5R. We were told that the ILS 5R had been NOTAM'ed out all day and to expect the VOR 5R approach. We accepted the instructions and began to look for the VOR approach plate only to find that our chart manuals do not contain a VOR approach plate for GSO. We advised approach that we could not accept the VOR approach either and were told to standby. Due to traffic in the area it momentarily appeared that we might have to divert. Fortunately the Controller was eventually able to work us onto the ILS 14 approach. My greater concern here is that we were missing a NOTAM for the ILS 5R. More disconcerting than that was knowing that we might be missing other NOTAMs that could adversely affect the flight. This all also happened during the high workload environment of the descent and approach. Had we had the NOTAM at least we would have been given the tools to better plan our options. This seems to be a common problem. I don't know exactly what the fix should be. My understanding is that we receive our NOTAMs from a vendor. Maybe a thorough audit of that vendor would be appropriate
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of April 2012 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.