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Air carrier captain expresses concern for the separation standard used by the tower during cross runway arrival and departures.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 83825 |
| Time | |
| Date | 198803 |
| Day | Wed |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : sfo |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 100 |
| Environment | |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Widebody, Low Wing, 4 Turbojet Eng |
| Navigation In Use | Other |
| Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Widebody, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
| Navigation In Use | Other |
| Flight Phase | landing other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi pilot : flight engineer |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 220 flight time total : 15000 flight time type : 10000 |
| ASRS Report | 83825 |
| Person 2 | |
| Function | controller : local |
| Qualification | controller : non radar |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : unable |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Airport |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
| Situations | |
| ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
We were #3 for takeoff on sfo runway 1R. Widebody transport X was holding in position on runway 1R. Widebody transport Y was on a short final. The tower controller cleared widebody transport X for a immediate takeoff. My first officer and second officer said something like, 'oh boy, this is going to be close.' so, I timed it, 'widebody transport X lifted off runway 1R, widebody transport Y touched down 8 seconds later on runway 28R. Good timing? No, I don't think so. I think it is pressing our luck in the interest of acceptance rate. It may be legal and nobody got hurt, but I think it is poor policies and poor procedures that allows this sort of thing to go on hour after hour and day after day at sfo.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR CAPT EXPRESSES CONCERN FOR THE SEPARATION STANDARD USED BY THE TWR DURING CROSS RWY ARR AND DEPS.
Narrative: WE WERE #3 FOR TKOF ON SFO RWY 1R. WDB X WAS HOLDING IN POSITION ON RWY 1R. WDB Y WAS ON A SHORT FINAL. THE TWR CTLR CLRED WDB X FOR A IMMEDIATE TKOF. MY F/O AND S/O SAID SOMETHING LIKE, 'OH BOY, THIS IS GOING TO BE CLOSE.' SO, I TIMED IT, 'WDB X LIFTED OFF RWY 1R, WDB Y TOUCHED DOWN 8 SECS LATER ON RWY 28R. GOOD TIMING? NO, I DON'T THINK SO. I THINK IT IS PRESSING OUR LUCK IN THE INTEREST OF ACCEPTANCE RATE. IT MAY BE LEGAL AND NOBODY GOT HURT, BUT I THINK IT IS POOR POLICIES AND POOR PROCS THAT ALLOWS THIS SORT OF THING TO GO ON HOUR AFTER HOUR AND DAY AFTER DAY AT SFO.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.