Air carrier pilot recommended changing the holding pattern procedures listed on the phlbo and dylin ...

Attributes
ACN	842996
Time
Date	200907
Local Time Of Day	1201-1800
Place
Locale Reference	EWR.Airport
State Reference	NJ
Environment
Flight Conditions	IMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Make Model Name	DC-9 30
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Flight Phase	Descent
Route In Use	STAR N/A
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Function	Captain
Qualification	Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) Flight Crew Flight Instructor Flight Crew Multiengine
Experience	Flight Crew Last 90 Days 125 Flight Crew Total 12000 Flight Crew Type 3800
Events
Anomaly	ATC Issue All Types

Narrative:

There are two arrivals going into ewr (newark; nj) that are overlapped. The dylin four arrival and the phlbo two arrival; both arrivals are joined at the nottingham (ott) VOR then continue for a hundred miles before breaking off. When put into a hold as published at yardley (ard) VORTAC; the dylin four arrival has the limitation of 210 KTS; with standard holding procedures of 1 minute below 14;000 ft MSL. Where as the phlbo two arrival has the limitation of 210 KTS and 4 NM. ATC is expecting the pilot to hold using the 4 mile limitation for deconfliction of traffic; however; using the 1 minute holding procedure and strong winds a pilot could easy blow through 'protect airspace'. To correct the problem both arrivals need the four mile limitation.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: Air carrier pilot recommended changing the holding pattern procedures listed on the PHLBO and DYLIN to both reflect 4 mile limitations; indicating the existing 1 mile limitation is subject to excursions.

Narrative: There are two arrivals going into EWR (Newark; NJ) that are overlapped. The DYLIN FOUR ARRIVAL and the PHLBO TWO ARRIVAL; both arrivals are joined at the Nottingham (OTT) VOR then continue for a hundred miles before breaking off. When put into a hold as published at YARDLEY (ARD) VORTAC; the DYLIN FOUR ARRIVAL has the limitation of 210 KTS; with standard holding procedures of 1 minute below 14;000 FT MSL. Where as the PHLBO TWO ARRIVAL has the limitation of 210 KTS and 4 NM. ATC is expecting the pilot to hold using the 4 mile limitation for deconfliction of traffic; however; using the 1 minute holding procedure and strong winds a pilot could easy blow through 'protect airspace'. To correct the problem both arrivals need the four mile limitation.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of April 2012 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

Air carrier pilot recommended changing the holding pattern procedures listed on the phlbo and dylin to both reflect 4 mile limitations; indicating the existing 1 mile limitation is subject to excursions.