An air carrier crew received a late descent clearance on the phx KOOLY2 arrival and as a result were...

Narrative:

After re-route to a different arrival due to weather; cleared for KOOKY2 arrival to phx. Abq center cleared to cross itemm at 240/normal speed. (FMS was loaded and KOOKY2 was briefed. Had expected to be cleared to descend 'via' the KOOKY2; but not issued.) between itemm and recok we were cleared to descend to 14;000 feet with no speed restriction. Between recok and kooly; well above profile attitude and airspeed; we were cleared to 'descend via the KOOLY2 arrival.' first officer read back clearance. Looking at the situation; we were good for kooly; but squez was a problem. Before I could tell first officer to advise ATC; we were given hand off to phx approach; who did not answer first attempt. Back to abq... Back to phx approach...finally advised we were unable squez restrictions due to 'late clearance from abq'...no comment. Cleared to 8000 ft and given a heading for runway 25L. Well after being on this heading; approach asks; 'weren't you cleared via the KOOLY2?' this is a non-issue report other than the fact that we are required to deal with new ATC controllers that don't understand the ramifications of 'late clearances' and 'we are unable to comply' communications. I understand the need for ATC to train. But it is making our day-to-day interaction much more complicated.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: An air carrier crew received a late descent clearance on the PHX KOOLY2 arrival and as a result were unable to make the altitude restriction at SQUEZ. Controller training was believed to be the source of the late arrival clearance.

Narrative: After re-route to a different arrival due to weather; cleared for KOOKY2 arrival to PHX. ABQ Center cleared to cross ITEMM at 240/normal speed. (FMS was loaded and KOOKY2 was briefed. Had expected to be cleared to descend 'VIA' the KOOKY2; but not issued.) Between ITEMM and RECOK we were cleared to descend to 14;000 feet with no speed restriction. Between RECOK and KOOLY; well above profile attitude and airspeed; we were cleared to 'descend via the KOOLY2 arrival.' First Officer read back clearance. Looking at the situation; we were good for KOOLY; but SQUEZ was a problem. Before I could tell First Officer to advise ATC; we were given hand off to PHX Approach; who did not answer first attempt. Back to ABQ... back to PHX Approach...finally advised we were unable SQUEZ restrictions due to 'late clearance from ABQ'...no comment. Cleared to 8000 FT and given a heading for Runway 25L. Well after being on this heading; Approach asks; 'weren't you cleared via the KOOLY2?' This is a non-issue report other than the fact that we are required to deal with new ATC controllers that don't understand the ramifications of 'late clearances' and 'we are unable to comply' communications. I understand the need for ATC to train. But it is making our day-to-day interaction much more complicated.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of April 2012 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

Attributes
ACN	844730
Time
Date	200907
Local Time Of Day	1201-1800
Place
Locale Reference	ZAB.ARTCC
State Reference	NM
Aircraft 1
Make Model Name	Medium Transport Low Wing 2 Turbojet Eng
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Flight Phase	Descent
Route In Use	STAR KOOLY
Flight Plan	IFR
Component
Aircraft Component	FMS/FMC
Person 1
Function	Captain Pilot Flying
Events
Anomaly	ATC Issue All Types Deviation - Altitude Crossing Restriction Not Met Deviation - Procedural Clearance

An air carrier crew received a late descent clearance on the phx KOOLY2 arrival and as a result were unable to make the altitude restriction at squez. Controller training was believed to be the source of the late arrival clearance.