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Attributes | |
ACN | 85386 |
Time | |
Date | 198804 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : phx |
State Reference | AZ |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 800 agl bound upper : 800 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : phx |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | climbout : initial climbout : intermediate altitude climbout : takeoff |
Route In Use | departure sid : sid |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 17000 flight time type : 3600 |
ASRS Report | 85386 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 160 flight time total : 7200 flight time type : 155 |
ASRS Report | 85567 |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Aircraft |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Flight departing phx en route to charlotte, nc. Flight was cleared to charlotte as filed via the payso 3 high departure (chart 10-3D). As a result of extremely poor aircraft performance during acceleration and initial climb, I chose not to execute the turn required at the 13 DME fix per aforementioned SID. The performance experienced by the aircraft was not anticipated therefore advisories to ATC. As to noncompliance, was not given. My primary concern during the crucial phase of initial climb segment is to configure the aircraft to ensure the optimum margin of safety. In this particular case, the objective to do so, was complicated by the following. Flight was dispatched from the gate weighing 186700#. The surface temperature was 92 degrees F. The wind given on the ATIS was 210/08. The aircraft did not achieve V2 speed until approximately 600' from the departure end of runway 26L. V2 speed was 157 KTS. We were also cleared for takeoff relatively close behind an large transport. After liftoff climb rate was less than 500 FPM. Along with poor climb performance, wake turbulence was experienced. The 13 DME fix from srp is 6.1 NM from the departure end of runway 26L. The aircraft had only achieved 800' AGL at the 13 DME. Acceleration was minimal at this point. At approximately 16 DME ATC advised to initiate a right turn to 060 degrees. ATC inquired as to our noncompliance to the SID. I advised ATC as to our situation of poor aircraft performance. Given the aforementioned conditions. I feel I exercised sound judgement. Except for not advising ATC of my intentions, it should be noted however my priority was aircraft control. Supplemental information from acn 85567: by 13 DME fix, the captain did not want to sacrifice performance by turning, so I inquired if departure had a vector for us or if we should resume the SID.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR LGT UNABLE FOLLOW SID ACCOUNT POOR ACFT PEFORMANCE.
Narrative: FLT DEPARTING PHX ENRTE TO CHARLOTTE, NC. FLT WAS CLRED TO CHARLOTTE AS FILED VIA THE PAYSO 3 HIGH DEP (CHART 10-3D). AS A RESULT OF EXTREMELY POOR ACFT PERFORMANCE DURING ACCELERATION AND INITIAL CLB, I CHOSE NOT TO EXECUTE THE TURN REQUIRED AT THE 13 DME FIX PER AFOREMENTIONED SID. THE PERFORMANCE EXPERIENCED BY THE ACFT WAS NOT ANTICIPATED THEREFORE ADVISORIES TO ATC. AS TO NONCOMPLIANCE, WAS NOT GIVEN. MY PRIMARY CONCERN DURING THE CRUCIAL PHASE OF INITIAL CLB SEGMENT IS TO CONFIGURE THE ACFT TO ENSURE THE OPTIMUM MARGIN OF SAFETY. IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THE OBJECTIVE TO DO SO, WAS COMPLICATED BY THE FOLLOWING. FLT WAS DISPATCHED FROM THE GATE WEIGHING 186700#. THE SURFACE TEMP WAS 92 DEGS F. THE WIND GIVEN ON THE ATIS WAS 210/08. THE ACFT DID NOT ACHIEVE V2 SPD UNTIL APPROX 600' FROM THE DEP END OF RWY 26L. V2 SPD WAS 157 KTS. WE WERE ALSO CLRED FOR TKOF RELATIVELY CLOSE BEHIND AN LGT. AFTER LIFTOFF CLB RATE WAS LESS THAN 500 FPM. ALONG WITH POOR CLB PERFORMANCE, WAKE TURB WAS EXPERIENCED. THE 13 DME FIX FROM SRP IS 6.1 NM FROM THE DEP END OF RWY 26L. THE ACFT HAD ONLY ACHIEVED 800' AGL AT THE 13 DME. ACCELERATION WAS MINIMAL AT THIS POINT. AT APPROX 16 DME ATC ADVISED TO INITIATE A RIGHT TURN TO 060 DEGS. ATC INQUIRED AS TO OUR NONCOMPLIANCE TO THE SID. I ADVISED ATC AS TO OUR SITUATION OF POOR ACFT PERFORMANCE. GIVEN THE AFOREMENTIONED CONDITIONS. I FEEL I EXERCISED SOUND JUDGEMENT. EXCEPT FOR NOT ADVISING ATC OF MY INTENTIONS, IT SHOULD BE NOTED HOWEVER MY PRIORITY WAS ACFT CTL. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 85567: BY 13 DME FIX, THE CAPT DID NOT WANT TO SACRIFICE PERFORMANCE BY TURNING, SO I INQUIRED IF DEP HAD A VECTOR FOR US OR IF WE SHOULD RESUME THE SID.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.