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Close proximity GA-small aircraft doing landing practice and GA-small aircraft coming into the traffic pattern.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 85647 |
| Time | |
| Date | 198804 |
| Day | Fri |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : gvl |
| State Reference | GA |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 200 agl bound upper : 200 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | general aviation : personal |
| Make Model Name | Small Aircraft, Low Wing, 1 Eng, Retractable Gear |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach landing other |
| Flight Plan | VFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Make Model Name | Small Aircraft, Low Wing, 2 Eng, Retractable Gear |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach landing other |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 15000 flight time type : 5 |
| ASRS Report | 85647 |
| Person 2 | |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : nmac |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
| Consequence | Other |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 25 vertical : 25 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
While checking out buyer of small aircraft X, an overtaking small aircraft Y passed to the right rear of my aircraft. We had called downwind crosswind and final on 122.8. I had heard the small aircraft Y call 10 mi out some time before, but that was the last call I heard from him. After the incident he used abusive language on the radio, then his radio became unreadable as also noted by the FBO. There were aircraft both before and after doing takeoff and lndgs on runway 29 that did not have radios. Then the small aircraft Y pilot accused us of not advising him we were landing. I think there are a great many pilots out there that need to go back to basic school. Not only would they learn the rules of flying in an uncontrolled area, but maybe they would learn the basics of flying in and near high density areas, and then everyone would not get so excited about controled airspace and transponders. I do it for a living and I think education's the answer.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CLOSE PROX GA-SMA DOING LNDG PRACTICE AND GA-SMA COMING INTO THE TRAFFIC PATTERN.
Narrative: WHILE CHKING OUT BUYER OF SMA X, AN OVERTAKING SMA Y PASSED TO THE RIGHT REAR OF MY ACFT. WE HAD CALLED DOWNWIND XWIND AND FINAL ON 122.8. I HAD HEARD THE SMA Y CALL 10 MI OUT SOME TIME BEFORE, BUT THAT WAS THE LAST CALL I HEARD FROM HIM. AFTER THE INCIDENT HE USED ABUSIVE LANGUAGE ON THE RADIO, THEN HIS RADIO BECAME UNREADABLE AS ALSO NOTED BY THE FBO. THERE WERE ACFT BOTH BEFORE AND AFTER DOING TKOF AND LNDGS ON RWY 29 THAT DID NOT HAVE RADIOS. THEN THE SMA Y PLT ACCUSED US OF NOT ADVISING HIM WE WERE LNDG. I THINK THERE ARE A GREAT MANY PLTS OUT THERE THAT NEED TO GO BACK TO BASIC SCHOOL. NOT ONLY WOULD THEY LEARN THE RULES OF FLYING IN AN UNCTLED AREA, BUT MAYBE THEY WOULD LEARN THE BASICS OF FLYING IN AND NEAR HIGH DENSITY AREAS, AND THEN EVERYONE WOULD NOT GET SO EXCITED ABOUT CTLED AIRSPACE AND TRANSPONDERS. I DO IT FOR A LIVING AND I THINK EDUCATION'S THE ANSWER.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.