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Attributes | |
ACN | 87326 |
Time | |
Date | 198805 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : buf |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 10000 msl bound upper : 13000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Dusk |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : czyz tracon : buf |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude climbout : takeoff |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 2500 flight time type : 940 |
ASRS Report | 87326 |
Person 2 | |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot inflight encounter : weather non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : unable |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
On departure out of buf on runway 23 we looked at our radar on the runway and noticed a large cell off the departure end. We requested an immediate left turn on departure and were given a turn to 090 degree. We were cleared to 10000' on departure. Departure control they gave us another turn for traffic which they cancelled after we were in our turn and cleared us back eastbound. There were some buildups in front of us with tops to about 13000'. On our arrival in buf earlier we experienced moderate turbulence, moderate rime icing and heavy rain so we did not want to penetrate this area again. We asked departure control for a higher altitude to get above the tops but he switched us to toronto center, at this point we were within one minute of penetrating the WX. We continued our climb above 10000' to clear the WX because we couldn't get toronto center in time before penetration. I think it was an extremely poor procedure to hand off an aircraft when they are requesting an immediate deviation for WX avoidance. Departure could have asked us to turn if we were leaving his airspace so he would have time to coordination a higher altitude with toronto center or to give us more time to contact center so we could obtain clearance.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CONTINUED CLIMB WITHOUT CLRNC WHEN TSTM ENCOUNTERED AND UNABLE TO MAKE CONTACT WITH ARTCC RADAR CTLR.
Narrative: ON DEP OUT OF BUF ON RWY 23 WE LOOKED AT OUR RADAR ON THE RWY AND NOTICED A LARGE CELL OFF THE DEP END. WE REQUESTED AN IMMEDIATE L TURN ON DEP AND WERE GIVEN A TURN TO 090 DEG. WE WERE CLRED TO 10000' ON DEP. DEP CTL THEY GAVE US ANOTHER TURN FOR TFC WHICH THEY CANCELLED AFTER WE WERE IN OUR TURN AND CLRED US BACK EBND. THERE WERE SOME BUILDUPS IN FRONT OF US WITH TOPS TO ABOUT 13000'. ON OUR ARR IN BUF EARLIER WE EXPERIENCED MODERATE TURB, MODERATE RIME ICING AND HEAVY RAIN SO WE DID NOT WANT TO PENETRATE THIS AREA AGAIN. WE ASKED DEP CTL FOR A HIGHER ALT TO GET ABOVE THE TOPS BUT HE SWITCHED US TO TORONTO CENTER, AT THIS POINT WE WERE WITHIN ONE MINUTE OF PENETRATING THE WX. WE CONTINUED OUR CLB ABOVE 10000' TO CLR THE WX BECAUSE WE COULDN'T GET TORONTO CENTER IN TIME BEFORE PENETRATION. I THINK IT WAS AN EXTREMELY POOR PROCEDURE TO HAND OFF AN ACFT WHEN THEY ARE REQUESTING AN IMMEDIATE DEVIATION FOR WX AVOIDANCE. DEP COULD HAVE ASKED US TO TURN IF WE WERE LEAVING HIS AIRSPACE SO HE WOULD HAVE TIME TO COORD A HIGHER ALT WITH TORONTO CENTER OR TO GIVE US MORE TIME TO CONTACT CENTER SO WE COULD OBTAIN CLRNC.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.