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Attributes | |
ACN | 89317 |
Time | |
Date | 198806 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : sfo |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 300 msl bound upper : 400 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : sfo |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Widebody, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff climbout : initial |
Route In Use | departure sid : sid |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Light Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | departure sid : sid |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 225 flight time total : 20000 |
ASRS Report | 89317 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | other |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 6000 vertical : 500 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
Assigned sfo 3 departure on original clearance, changed to shoreline 8 during taxiout. ATIS reported 1700' ceiling, 20 NM visibility, aircraft weighed 345000#, 2000# under maximum gross requiring runway 28R for takeoff. Flight was cleared into position on runway 28R to hold. A commuter was then cleared for takeoff on runway 28L, followed by takeoff clearance on runway 28R. At 300-400' the tower operator requested a turn to a 040 degree heading. We could not accept the turn due to aircraft weight and performance west/O severely jeopardizing safety. There was a broken layer of clouds at 800' which we would have entered in the turn with 1000' terrain, 3.5 NM northwest. We had visual contact with the runway 28L departure, but were unable to interrupt a constant stream of tower communication to advise. We did turn to 295 degrees to assure adequate sep from runway 28L traffic. Our failure to accept the turn to 040 degrees created concern over sep from the runway 28L departure. The shoreline 8 departure requires a climb of 425' per NM with which we could comply. It also requires a turn 'as soon as feasible' to an assigned heading. It is not feasible to commence a turn at 300-400', our single engine level off height is 720' on a 295 degree heading. This departure procedure is ill defined and needs to be more specific. It should read that if unable to accept a turn at a specific altitude, to request a straight out procedure.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FAILED TO COMPLY WITH SID REQUIRING TURN AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
Narrative: ASSIGNED SFO 3 DEP ON ORIGINAL CLRNC, CHANGED TO SHORELINE 8 DURING TAXIOUT. ATIS RPTED 1700' CEILING, 20 NM VIS, ACFT WEIGHED 345000#, 2000# UNDER MAX GROSS REQUIRING RWY 28R FOR TKOF. FLT WAS CLRED INTO POS ON RWY 28R TO HOLD. A COMMUTER WAS THEN CLRED FOR TKOF ON RWY 28L, FOLLOWED BY TKOF CLRNC ON RWY 28R. AT 300-400' THE TWR OPERATOR REQUESTED A TURN TO A 040 DEG HDG. WE COULD NOT ACCEPT THE TURN DUE TO ACFT WT AND PERFORMANCE W/O SEVERELY JEOPARDIZING SAFETY. THERE WAS A BROKEN LAYER OF CLOUDS AT 800' WHICH WE WOULD HAVE ENTERED IN THE TURN WITH 1000' TERRAIN, 3.5 NM NW. WE HAD VISUAL CONTACT WITH THE RWY 28L DEP, BUT WERE UNABLE TO INTERRUPT A CONSTANT STREAM OF TWR COM TO ADVISE. WE DID TURN TO 295 DEGS TO ASSURE ADEQUATE SEP FROM RWY 28L TFC. OUR FAILURE TO ACCEPT THE TURN TO 040 DEGS CREATED CONCERN OVER SEP FROM THE RWY 28L DEP. THE SHORELINE 8 DEP REQUIRES A CLB OF 425' PER NM WITH WHICH WE COULD COMPLY. IT ALSO REQUIRES A TURN 'AS SOON AS FEASIBLE' TO AN ASSIGNED HDG. IT IS NOT FEASIBLE TO COMMENCE A TURN AT 300-400', OUR SINGLE ENG LEVEL OFF HEIGHT IS 720' ON A 295 DEG HDG. THIS DEP PROC IS ILL DEFINED AND NEEDS TO BE MORE SPECIFIC. IT SHOULD READ THAT IF UNABLE TO ACCEPT A TURN AT A SPECIFIC ALT, TO REQUEST A STRAIGHT OUT PROC.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.