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Attributes | |
ACN | 897386 |
Time | |
Date | 201007 |
Local Time Of Day | 1801-2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | ZZZZ.Airport |
State Reference | FO |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | B767-300 and 300 ER |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Landing |
Person 1 | |
Function | First Officer Pilot Not Flying |
Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
Experience | Flight Crew Last 90 Days 120 Flight Crew Total 7000 Flight Crew Type 3500 |
Person 2 | |
Function | Relief Pilot Pilot Not Flying |
Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
Experience | Flight Crew Last 90 Days 110 Flight Crew Type 3000 |
Events | |
Anomaly | Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy Inflight Event / Encounter Unstabilized Approach |
Narrative:
We were cleared for the approach on the ILS at [an international destination]. It was a very long final. We intercepted the glide slope at 4;000 AGL and we were told to slow to 160 for traffic. We were light so we only needed flaps five for that speed. We had a very strong headwind at pattern altitude (35 KTS) and a very slow ground speed. The final approach was unusually longer than normal with the slow ground speed and high intercept altitude. As we were flying in and getting closer; we passed the FAF and the captain continued the approach. I made the mistake of assuming that because of the wind he was delaying further configuration changes as we had been on final for some time. About 1;500' AGL; I started getting nervous about the configuration but assumed the captain would call any second. I don't know if he was waiting deliberately or not. But I should have spoken up back at the final approach fix. Anyway; tower called at 1;300' with landing instructions at the same time I was pointing to the landing gear handle. I answered tower with our clearance to land and the relief pilot noticed the gear and said something. I lowered the gear while answering tower; and then lowered final flaps. The gear took longer than I expected to extend and we even got a gear configuration warning for one to three seconds. The airplane was on speed and stable at 700 feet and we were now at 95 KTS groundspeed due the strong headwinds; it still seemed like a long time till we landed. In retrospect; we should have unequivocally gone around at 1;000'. I never felt unsafe; but 1;000' is the limit. As a lesson learned; I will not assume a captain's actions any longer and will ensure that when I have I concern; that I raise it immediately. And I will pay more attention to the 1;000' limit.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A B767-300 International Flight Crew flew below 1;000 feet AGL before fully configuring aircraft for landing.
Narrative: We were cleared for the approach on the ILS at [an international destination]. It was a very long final. We intercepted the glide slope at 4;000 AGL and we were told to slow to 160 for traffic. We were light so we only needed flaps five for that speed. We had a very strong headwind at pattern altitude (35 KTS) and a very slow ground speed. The final approach was unusually longer than normal with the slow ground speed and high intercept altitude. As we were flying in and getting closer; we passed the FAF and the Captain continued the approach. I made the mistake of assuming that because of the wind he was delaying further configuration changes as we had been on final for some time. About 1;500' AGL; I started getting nervous about the configuration but assumed the Captain would call any second. I don't know if he was waiting deliberately or not. But I should have spoken up back at the final approach fix. Anyway; Tower called at 1;300' with landing instructions at the same time I was pointing to the landing gear handle. I answered Tower with our clearance to land and the Relief Pilot noticed the gear and said something. I lowered the gear while answering Tower; and then lowered final flaps. The gear took longer than I expected to extend and we even got a gear configuration warning for one to three seconds. The airplane was on speed and stable at 700 feet and we were now at 95 KTS groundspeed due the strong headwinds; it still seemed like a long time till we landed. In retrospect; we should have unequivocally gone around at 1;000'. I never felt unsafe; but 1;000' is the limit. As a lesson learned; I will not assume a Captain's actions any longer and will ensure that when I have I concern; that I raise it immediately. And I will pay more attention to the 1;000' limit.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of April 2012 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.