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Attributes | |
ACN | 899377 |
Time | |
Date | 201007 |
Local Time Of Day | 0601-1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | MMSD.Airport |
State Reference | FO |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Taxi |
Person 1 | |
Function | Pilot Not Flying First Officer |
Experience | Flight Crew Last 90 Days 210 Flight Crew Total 10600 Flight Crew Type 280 |
Person 2 | |
Function | Captain Pilot Flying |
Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
Experience | Flight Crew Last 90 Days 200 Flight Crew Total 24000 Flight Crew Type 9000 |
Events | |
Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Conflict Ground Conflict Less Severe Deviation - Procedural Clearance Ground Incursion Runway |
Narrative:
We taxied up and held short of runway 16 in mmsd. We finished the before takeoff checklist to the final items and I turned the transponder to traffic to help clear for traffic. I then notified tower we were ready for takeoff 16. What we thought we heard was something along the lines of 'taxi onto 16 and hold; traffic on 10 mile final.' I checked final and the TCAS and saw nothing on either and responded with 'roger; taxi into position and hold 16.' we started moving forward for several seconds and got past the hold short line but still well short of the runway when tower said 'air carrier X; hold short runway 16; traffic on 3 mile final.' he said it very calmly and threw both the captain and I for a loop. The captain immediately stopped the jet and we saw the lights of the traffic several miles out on final and appear suddenly on TCAS. I verified that we had been cleared into position and hold previously and tower said 'negative; cleared to hold short of runway.' the civilian business jet landed without incident and we were still well clear of the runway; and then we were cleared for 'line up and wait 16.' that is when I realized that; of course; they would use ICAO terminology; not us terminology. The best the captain and I could figure out when we discussed it later airborne was that he said something like 'taxi to hold short position 16; traffic (??) mile final.' because we were already at the hold short line and stopped when we called 'ready' and got this reply; I keyed on words like 'taxi'; 'hold'; 'position'; and '16'. This was such a classic gotcha. Language problem; non standard phraseology for holding short by the controller; no correction of our readback; and no traffic on the TCAS or visible to us when we began to move to take the runway. Huge lesson learned! Query the controller if unsure what they said; and listen for standard phraseology for taking the runway; which should be ICAO outside of the us an incursion on a severe clear day can; and I see does; happen.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: An air carrier crew misunderstood a MMSD Controllers command to 'Taxi to Runway 16' because they were at the hold short line and began to taxi onto the runway before ATC commanded hold short for traffic on short final.
Narrative: We taxied up and held short of Runway 16 in MMSD. We finished the before takeoff checklist to the final items and I turned the transponder to TFC to help clear for traffic. I then notified Tower we were ready for takeoff 16. What we thought we heard was something along the lines of 'taxi onto 16 and hold; traffic on 10 mile final.' I checked final and the TCAS and saw nothing on either and responded with 'Roger; taxi into position and hold 16.' We started moving forward for several seconds and got past the hold short line but still well short of the runway when Tower said 'Air Carrier X; hold short Runway 16; traffic on 3 mile final.' He said it very calmly and threw both the Captain and I for a loop. The Captain immediately stopped the jet and we saw the lights of the traffic several miles out on final and appear suddenly on TCAS. I verified that we had been cleared into position and hold previously and Tower said 'Negative; cleared to hold short of runway.' The civilian business jet landed without incident and we were still well clear of the runway; and then we were cleared for 'Line up and wait 16.' That is when I realized that; of course; they would use ICAO terminology; not U.S. terminology. The best the Captain and I could figure out when we discussed it later airborne was that he said something like 'Taxi to hold short position 16; traffic (??) mile final.' Because we were already at the hold short line and stopped when we called 'ready' and got this reply; I keyed on words like 'taxi'; 'hold'; 'position'; and '16'. This was such a classic gotcha. Language problem; non standard phraseology for holding short by the controller; no correction of our readback; and no traffic on the TCAS or visible to us when we began to move to take the runway. Huge lesson learned! Query the controller if unsure what they said; and listen for standard phraseology for taking the runway; which should be ICAO outside of the U.S. An incursion on a severe clear day can; and I see does; happen.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of April 2012 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.