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Attributes | |
ACN | 89978 |
Time | |
Date | 198806 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : jfk |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Widebody, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | ground : preflight ground : parked |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : second officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 5500 flight time type : 275 |
ASRS Report | 89978 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | other personnel other |
Qualification | other other : other |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | other other : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | faa : investigated |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Aircraft |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
We had trouble starting the #2 engine. Maintenance came into the cockpit and held in the start switch to start the engine. They said this was a procedure approved by our maintenance base in mci. We did not consider the start mechanism inoperative and neither did they. I heard today that the FAA may come back later and say we departed a station west/O an inoperative sticker on the start switch. Also, on arrival at lax, maintenance could not duplicate the malfunction. It intermittently surfaced for several days, I'm told. If we had been told maintenance considered the start function inoperative, we certainly would have waited for the inoperative placard. Only one leg was flown in this conditions--jfk-lax. Next time I'll insist on a placard even if maintenance does not unless they give me written assurance that they consider the system operative.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FAA CLAIMS THE WDB STARTER VALVE WAS INOPERATIVE FOR DEP.
Narrative: WE HAD TROUBLE STARTING THE #2 ENG. MAINT CAME INTO THE COCKPIT AND HELD IN THE START SWITCH TO START THE ENG. THEY SAID THIS WAS A PROC APPROVED BY OUR MAINT BASE IN MCI. WE DID NOT CONSIDER THE START MECHANISM INOP AND NEITHER DID THEY. I HEARD TODAY THAT THE FAA MAY COME BACK LATER AND SAY WE DEPARTED A STATION W/O AN INOP STICKER ON THE START SWITCH. ALSO, ON ARR AT LAX, MAINT COULD NOT DUPLICATE THE MALFUNCTION. IT INTERMITTENTLY SURFACED FOR SEVERAL DAYS, I'M TOLD. IF WE HAD BEEN TOLD MAINT CONSIDERED THE START FUNCTION INOP, WE CERTAINLY WOULD HAVE WAITED FOR THE INOP PLACARD. ONLY ONE LEG WAS FLOWN IN THIS CONDITIONS--JFK-LAX. NEXT TIME I'LL INSIST ON A PLACARD EVEN IF MAINT DOES NOT UNLESS THEY GIVE ME WRITTEN ASSURANCE THAT THEY CONSIDER THE SYS OPERATIVE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.