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Attributes | |
ACN | 90628 |
Time | |
Date | 198807 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : den |
State Reference | CO |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 27000 msl bound upper : 33000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zdv |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | enroute airway : zdv |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 15000 flight time type : 260 |
ASRS Report | 90628 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We were given holding instructions to hold at smity intersection as published. Both the copilot and I thought the controller said to hold at FL240 and read the clearance back as FL240. As we approached the smity fix we heard the controller clear another aircraft, already in the hold, to FL240, so we asked for clarification and were told that our cleared altitude was FL280. We told the controller we had understood FL240 and had read back FL240. As we were already below FL280 the controller vectored us away from the area with no further incident. It pays to stay alert and listen for possible conflicts. I guess we will never know who was in error, us or the controller.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACKNOWLEDGED CLRNC TO FL240. CTLR CLAIMED ONLY CLEARED TO FL280.
Narrative: WE WERE GIVEN HOLDING INSTRUCTIONS TO HOLD AT SMITY INTXN AS PUBLISHED. BOTH THE COPLT AND I THOUGHT THE CTLR SAID TO HOLD AT FL240 AND READ THE CLRNC BACK AS FL240. AS WE APCHED THE SMITY FIX WE HEARD THE CTLR CLR ANOTHER ACFT, ALREADY IN THE HOLD, TO FL240, SO WE ASKED FOR CLARIFICATION AND WERE TOLD THAT OUR CLRED ALT WAS FL280. WE TOLD THE CTLR WE HAD UNDERSTOOD FL240 AND HAD READ BACK FL240. AS WE WERE ALREADY BELOW FL280 THE CTLR VECTORED US AWAY FROM THE AREA WITH NO FURTHER INCIDENT. IT PAYS TO STAY ALERT AND LISTEN FOR POSSIBLE CONFLICTS. I GUESS WE WILL NEVER KNOW WHO WAS IN ERROR, US OR THE CTLR.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.