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Attributes | |
ACN | 916528 |
Time | |
Date | 201010 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201-1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | NEW.Airport |
State Reference | LA |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | Falcon 2000 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | Taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Function | Captain Pilot Flying |
Qualification | Flight Crew Multiengine Flight Crew Instrument Flight Crew Flight Instructor Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
Experience | Flight Crew Last 90 Days 75 Flight Crew Total 9200 Flight Crew Type 1500 |
Person 2 | |
Function | First Officer Pilot Not Flying |
Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) Flight Crew Multiengine Flight Crew Instrument Flight Crew Flight Instructor |
Experience | Flight Crew Last 90 Days 75 Flight Crew Total 6000 Flight Crew Type 1500 |
Events | |
Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Ground Event / Encounter Other / Unknown Ground Incursion Runway |
Narrative:
On a recent departure from new the crew was on the ground (far southeast corner of the airport) holding short of taxiway foxtrot; ready to taxi. We called ground control and were told to taxi west on foxtrot and to hold short of runway 9/27 at midfield (on our way to runway 18R). The markings on that taxiway at that end of the field are very non-typical. There is a hold-short line for runway 27 that comes out on to taxiway foxtrot and runs parallel to and south of the taxiway foxtrot centerline. This hold short line then continues westbound on foxtrot for a couple hundred feet (approximately) at which point it turns north and runs to the north edge of the foxtrot pavement (imagine an 'left' shaped hold short line 'intermingled' with a taxiway centerline). In a large cabin jet (we were in a falcon 2000); there is no way to taxi westbound on foxtrot from this ramp without a portion of the aircraft on the runway side of the aforementioned hold short line. As we were given that very specific taxi instruction; we started to taxi onto foxtrot to proceed westbound. There were departure operations being conducted off of runway 9 as well by some smaller single engine aircraft. As we started to taxi; we informed the controller that we would be encroaching into the runway side of the hold short line during a portion of our taxi (with our right wing primarily). At this point of the transmission; the ground controller told us to just hold our position; which we did. However; as we had already started to taxi (per our taxi clearance); we again emphasized that we were already over the hold short line (with a portion of our aircraft--the right wing). Again; the controller just said to 'hold your position'; which we were already doing. There was a single engine aircraft departing runway 9 during this time and continued to do so; without any incident. After the single engine aircraft cleared the departure end of runway 9; we were given clearance to continue our taxi to runway 18R. The markings at this end of new are very non-standard and should be brought into a more standard compliance with additional warning signage to alert crews to the abnormal layout. Additionally; ATC should be more diligent; careful and clear in their taxi instructions; especially when simultaneous operations off of runway 9 are in effect.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: Falcon 2000 crew is instructed to taxi west on Taxiway F at NEW but is unable to do so without infringing on the hold short line at the east end of Runway 27. After a departure off Runway 9 they are instructed to continue.
Narrative: On a recent departure from NEW the crew was on the ground (far southeast corner of the airport) holding short of Taxiway Foxtrot; ready to taxi. We called Ground Control and were told to taxi west on Foxtrot and to hold short of Runway 9/27 at midfield (on our way to Runway 18R). The markings on that taxiway at that end of the field are very non-typical. There is a hold-short line for Runway 27 that comes out on to taxiway Foxtrot and runs parallel to and south of the taxiway Foxtrot centerline. This hold short line then continues westbound on Foxtrot for a couple hundred feet (approximately) at which point it turns north and runs to the north edge of the Foxtrot pavement (imagine an 'L' shaped hold short line 'intermingled' with a taxiway centerline). In a large cabin jet (we were in a Falcon 2000); there is no way to taxi westbound on Foxtrot from this ramp without a portion of the aircraft on the runway side of the aforementioned hold short line. As we were given that very specific taxi instruction; we started to taxi onto Foxtrot to proceed westbound. There were departure operations being conducted off of Runway 9 as well by some smaller single engine aircraft. As we started to taxi; we informed the Controller that we would be encroaching into the runway side of the hold short line during a portion of our taxi (with our right wing primarily). At this point of the transmission; the Ground Controller told us to just hold our position; which we did. However; as we had already started to taxi (per our taxi clearance); we again emphasized that we were already over the hold short line (with a portion of our aircraft--the right wing). Again; the Controller just said to 'hold your position'; which we were already doing. There was a single engine aircraft departing Runway 9 during this time and continued to do so; without any incident. After the single engine aircraft cleared the departure end of Runway 9; we were given clearance to continue our taxi to Runway 18R. The markings at this end of NEW are very non-standard and should be brought into a more standard compliance with additional warning signage to alert crews to the abnormal layout. Additionally; ATC should be more diligent; careful and clear in their taxi instructions; especially when simultaneous operations off of Runway 9 are in effect.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of April 2012 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.