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Attributes | |
ACN | 92921 |
Time | |
Date | 198808 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : brv |
State Reference | VA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 7500 msl bound upper : 8000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Dusk |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : zzz |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Transport, High Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Route In Use | enroute airway : zdc |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 270 flight time total : 4200 flight time type : 270 |
ASRS Report | 92921 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 10000 |
ASRS Report | 92907 |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Two company aircraft on same frequency, both xa's. A lot of background noise on radio, though I heard center clear us from 8000 to 4000'. Asked if that call was for us. Thought center said 'affirmative,' so I said, 'out of 8000 for 4000, descending through 7500.' center asked if we were level at 8000'. I said, 'you cleared us to 4.' he said he cleared the other traffic and not us. Then he reclred us to 6000'. No other traffic was in the area. Supplemental information from acn 92907: when the F/a called up to discuss something from the cabin, I advised the first officer I would be off the radios, yet I continued to monitor. A few mins later I noticed the first officer reset his altitude alerter and commenced a descent from 8000 to 4000'. At 7500' he stopped the descent, talked to controller, and reset the altitude alerter for 6000'. None of his radio xmissions did I hear. He seemed alarmed, so I asked if we had had an altitude deviation. He said he had heard a clearance to 4000', asked if it was for mdt X, then got some response, so he headed out of 8000 for 4000' and responded to ATC. I was out of the communication loop with ATC and the first officer because I had just adjusted the illumination intensity of the flight instruments and cockpit lights. The master vol control knob for my radio panel is located next to the illumination knob. My finger bumped the vol control to an inaudibly low level when I adjusted the lights. The F/a intercom vol will override (some design flaw) cockpit intercom and ATC radios, making hearing anything but the F/a next to impossible (on some airplanes, this airplane being one of these). No ATC response was heard to keep us from leaving 8000' when we rogered out first officer 8000 for 4000'.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR MDT ALT EXCURSION. SIMILAR A/N.
Narrative: TWO COMPANY ACFT ON SAME FREQ, BOTH XA'S. A LOT OF BACKGROUND NOISE ON RADIO, THOUGH I HEARD CENTER CLR US FROM 8000 TO 4000'. ASKED IF THAT CALL WAS FOR US. THOUGHT CENTER SAID 'AFFIRMATIVE,' SO I SAID, 'OUT OF 8000 FOR 4000, DSNDING THROUGH 7500.' CENTER ASKED IF WE WERE LEVEL AT 8000'. I SAID, 'YOU CLRED US TO 4.' HE SAID HE CLRED THE OTHER TFC AND NOT US. THEN HE RECLRED US TO 6000'. NO OTHER TFC WAS IN THE AREA. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 92907: WHEN THE F/A CALLED UP TO DISCUSS SOMETHING FROM THE CABIN, I ADVISED THE F/O I WOULD BE OFF THE RADIOS, YET I CONTINUED TO MONITOR. A FEW MINS LATER I NOTICED THE F/O RESET HIS ALT ALERTER AND COMMENCED A DSCNT FROM 8000 TO 4000'. AT 7500' HE STOPPED THE DSCNT, TALKED TO CTLR, AND RESET THE ALT ALERTER FOR 6000'. NONE OF HIS RADIO XMISSIONS DID I HEAR. HE SEEMED ALARMED, SO I ASKED IF WE HAD HAD AN ALT DEVIATION. HE SAID HE HAD HEARD A CLRNC TO 4000', ASKED IF IT WAS FOR MDT X, THEN GOT SOME RESPONSE, SO HE HEADED OUT OF 8000 FOR 4000' AND RESPONDED TO ATC. I WAS OUT OF THE COM LOOP WITH ATC AND THE F/O BECAUSE I HAD JUST ADJUSTED THE ILLUMINATION INTENSITY OF THE FLT INSTRUMENTS AND COCKPIT LIGHTS. THE MASTER VOL CTL KNOB FOR MY RADIO PANEL IS LOCATED NEXT TO THE ILLUMINATION KNOB. MY FINGER BUMPED THE VOL CTL TO AN INAUDIBLY LOW LEVEL WHEN I ADJUSTED THE LIGHTS. THE F/A INTERCOM VOL WILL OVERRIDE (SOME DESIGN FLAW) COCKPIT INTERCOM AND ATC RADIOS, MAKING HEARING ANYTHING BUT THE F/A NEXT TO IMPOSSIBLE (ON SOME AIRPLANES, THIS AIRPLANE BEING ONE OF THESE). NO ATC RESPONSE WAS HEARD TO KEEP US FROM LEAVING 8000' WHEN WE ROGERED OUT FO 8000 FOR 4000'.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.