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Attributes | |
ACN | 93991 |
Time | |
Date | 198809 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : mzb |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 400 agl bound upper : 800 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zla tower : hou |
Operator | other |
Make Model Name | Fighter |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | DVR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | other |
Make Model Name | Helicopter |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | government : military |
Function | oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : military |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 35 flight time total : 2500 |
ASRS Report | 93991 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government : military |
Function | oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : military |
ASRS Report | 94112 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : unable |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | unspecified : 400 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
At approximately XA45 local, fgt X 2 ship of fgt's began a low level overwater training mission. The mission began abeam the oceanside TACAN approximately 35-40 NM west. After turning south we encountered WX of 1500. 5 NM confirmed by onboard radar. At XA50 we noticed a number of boats at 5 NM on my radar. Shortly afterwards our number 1 aircraft spotted mlt Y on right side between himself and wingman. Fgt X and mlt Y passed well clear and we continued on our planned route. We were at 800-900' and 380 KTS. We understand that mlt Y has filed a near miss report. At this time we are unaware of any far's that have been violated, however I have filed the report as a precaution. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following: this low level mission for training was ordered by reporter's military operations office. Somehow, the mission briefer did not have the attached special notice concerning the sporting events that were underway. Reporter stated that they were vaguely aware that the races were being held, but had no idea where or that they would be so far from land. There were completely surprised to happen upon the race and could do nothing to avoid the race or it's escort. They were among the boats and had had the near midair collision before they could determine what they had encountered. At their speed and altitude, there were through the area before evasive action could be taken. Both pilots were exonerated of blame because they had been sent into the area with incomplete information about the events in progress.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: 2 FGT'S ON LOW LEVEL HIGH SPEED TRAINING MISSION ENCOUNTERED BOATS FROM SPORTING EVENT AND CAME IN CLOSE PROX WITH AN ESCORTING MLT.
Narrative: AT APPROX XA45 LCL, FGT X 2 SHIP OF FGT'S BEGAN A LOW LEVEL OVERWATER TRNING MISSION. THE MISSION BEGAN ABEAM THE OCEANSIDE TACAN APPROX 35-40 NM W. AFTER TURNING S WE ENCOUNTERED WX OF 1500. 5 NM CONFIRMED BY ONBOARD RADAR. AT XA50 WE NOTICED A NUMBER OF BOATS AT 5 NM ON MY RADAR. SHORTLY AFTERWARDS OUR NUMBER 1 ACFT SPOTTED MLT Y ON RIGHT SIDE BTWN HIMSELF AND WINGMAN. FGT X AND MLT Y PASSED WELL CLR AND WE CONTINUED ON OUR PLANNED ROUTE. WE WERE AT 800-900' AND 380 KTS. WE UNDERSTAND THAT MLT Y HAS FILED A NEAR MISS RPT. AT THIS TIME WE ARE UNAWARE OF ANY FAR'S THAT HAVE BEEN VIOLATED, HOWEVER I HAVE FILED THE RPT AS A PRECAUTION. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING: THIS LOW LEVEL MISSION FOR TRNING WAS ORDERED BY RPTR'S MIL OPS OFFICE. SOMEHOW, THE MISSION BRIEFER DID NOT HAVE THE ATTACHED SPECIAL NOTICE CONCERNING THE SPORTING EVENTS THAT WERE UNDERWAY. RPTR STATED THAT THEY WERE VAGUELY AWARE THAT THE RACES WERE BEING HELD, BUT HAD NO IDEA WHERE OR THAT THEY WOULD BE SO FAR FROM LAND. THERE WERE COMPLETELY SURPRISED TO HAPPEN UPON THE RACE AND COULD DO NOTHING TO AVOID THE RACE OR IT'S ESCORT. THEY WERE AMONG THE BOATS AND HAD HAD THE NMAC BEFORE THEY COULD DETERMINE WHAT THEY HAD ENCOUNTERED. AT THEIR SPD AND ALT, THERE WERE THROUGH THE AREA BEFORE EVASIVE ACTION COULD BE TAKEN. BOTH PLTS WERE EXONERATED OF BLAME BECAUSE THEY HAD BEEN SENT INTO THE AREA WITH INCOMPLETE INFO ABOUT THE EVENTS IN PROGRESS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.